On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:30:51 -0800, Jack wrote:

On Jan 25, 4:09Â*pm, thunder wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:59:56 -0500, Harry wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:40:57 -0800, nom=de=plume wrote:

And, it's never an either/or situation. There are typically union
and non-union shops. So, your statement about if they don't like
the wage, they can go somewhere else doesn't necessarily apply.
There might be other non-union shops, but there might not be.

Let's not forget the 22 "Right to work" states.

That's the "22 right-to-work-for-less" states.

Yup, the map would seem to correspond to the lower wage states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Right_to_work.svg

The right to work states have the lowest cost of living.

Meanwhile, those union states have the highest unemployment, closed down
factories, biggest social problem, highest cost of living, etc.

South Carolina has the new Boeing plant coming here.

"CHICAGO—Boeing Co. said it would build a second final assembly line for
its troubled 787 Dreamliner jet in South Carolina, a move that spurns
the powerful aircraft machinists' union that had been negotiating with
Boeing to locate the work at the current factory near Seattle."

"It's the first time since 2006 that Boeing will assemble a commercial
airplane outside of the Puget Sound area and provides the company with
an assembly line beyond the reach of the labor union that has caused
production headaches off and on for decades in Seattle."

How are those unions working out for ya?

Fine, you are the one complaining about unions. Oh, and the Boeing story
seems to make a lie out of what you posted up-thread.

"In a union environment, the job and it's wages are controlled by the
union
through coercion. As we've seen, the market's ability to sustain the wage
seemingly has no influence on the demands of the unions. The company has
no choice, as it can not terminate striking workers, and will go under if
it does not comply with the union's demands. It is essentially held
hostage until bled dry."

It would seem the company has a choice, doesn't it?