On 19/01/2010 4:18 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:16:25 -0700,
wrote:

On 18/01/2010 4:32 AM, bpuharic wrote:

and middle class incomes in europe are on a par with those in the US
and have kept pace with ours as well over the last 30 years. we just
dont have the safety net they do, having chosen, instead, to insulate
the rich from the results of their greed.

Gross per hour worked, I would agree. Many do make less, but the time
off they get is fantastic.

In net after taxes and spending power, utter bull****. And this is what
counts. How much is left after the essentials.

and how much is left here when you factor in healthcare costs which
are growing faster than they are in europe? what about healthcare for
the 10% unemployed? in europe they have healthcare. here we dont

Yhe reason is simple, US has technology to add and people want it. And
it will cost. People want it, who the hell are we to say they can't
have it if they are willing to pay for it?

In Canada, We have a fantasic health care system, if you survive the
wait and can find a family doctor to get in line. And the differential
in taxes, we should blow you away but do not. People wait months for a
MRI and we are much likely less to get it prescribed.

And if you think foreign health care in places like the UK, Canada etc.
are better, get sick and try it. Your American coverage is good here
as government loves the income. How many Americans come to Canada for
anything in a government facility? For many Americans Mayo is further
away too.

I have lived in the UK, Norway, USA and Canada. I don't even need to
look this up. You are blowing this one out of your arse.

fine. when you give up your healthcare for you and your kids you let
me know, OK?

No one is giving up anything, unless it is the American right to choose.
After all, Obama wants your money and a stright up tax grab isn't
going to cut it. He is using health care as an excuse for more
taxation. That is how the liberals work it. Maximizing the return off
the sheep.

Look at it this way:

Income - taxes + health care. The biggeg the result at the end the better.

Treat health care like taxes but it goes to a different destination.
Then, the US looks pretty damed good. Better services are bonus.