On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:37:18 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 10/01/2010 12:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
conservative jim manzi has been going head to head against liberal jon
chait regarding the effects of social democracy on economic growth

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cha...zi-revisionism

manzi tried to make the argument that being a 'welfare state' inhibits
growth. turns out he's flat assed wrong

Do you understand:

Government cannot create wealth. Government is a consumer of wealth and
can only redistribute wealth.

Otherwise we could all be on welfare and be rich.

irrelevant. the comparison was between the radical free market/social
darwinist policies we have here, and the social democracies of europe

do you understand there's NO DATA which states the former leads to a
stronger middle class than social democracy does?


turns out the ONLY parameter that differentiates americans from
europeans in terms of growth is our population growth. and most of
that is from immigration

That will slow down with high unemployment and a planned onslaught of
taxation for Obama debt.

we already have the massive debt created by radical free market
fundamentalism and its destruction of the middle class by transferring
weatlh to the ultrarich in this country.

bush created the mess. you right wingers think obama's been president
for 8 years.

and if your view was true, why dont we see it in the DATA from the
last 40 years of social democracy in europe?


'wefare' states are just as rich as the US is.

Tell that to California, the IOU state.

also affected by free market fundamentalism


so while rush limbaugh would have us believe that god mean america to
be a poor country with a small group of rich people at its head, the
evidence shows this kills a country.

It does, but then the trick to being "rich" is as simple as: spend less
than you make. Goes the same for people, companies and governments.
Just that liberal debt mongers don't see it the way it is. People are
so busy borrowing from the "rich" they can't help but get rich.

and the right wingers in this country...where's the EVIDENCE that
their policy has worked?


But far too many worship Obama and democrat debt mongers that they have
in fact sold their futures so cheaply.

again you think obama's been president for 8 years. your memory is so
short, and your belief in free market mythology so deep that you can't
see the EVIDENCE

When you take out debt, you are
in essense volunteering for payment slavery.

slavery? no job security...destruction of whole communities...no
increase in wages for decades...

and that's what you fundamentalists call freedom. why?

because it kills the middle class while protecting the rich

YOU believe in socialism

socialism for the rich


All the spoiled idiots
want is more cheap debt they have no intention of paying back. Just
like herion addicts. GM might be the biggest debt welcher on the block
next to governemnt, but is by no means the only debt welcher.

Read the book, The Wealthy Barber.

i read the EVIDENCE. the DATA.

you read fairy tales