"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 28/12/2009 12:36 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

Actiually, I blame peoples stupidity. But Obama be the one responsible
these days. I didn't agree with Bush's go at it either. Too many
purely
politicial barriers in doing this right.

I do as well. The person responsible for not putting this person on a
higher
level list should be fired and the protocols should be changed. Obama is,
ultimately, responsible. I think he gets that.

Problem is the administration will find some low level goat and blame
them. If they did fire someone over this I would pick management in
Amsterdam or Europe as the ideal targets.

I think it's doubtful that some high-level person in the administration had
anything specifically to do with this situation. It's likely a relatively
low-level person not doing the right thing, but we'll see.


People at the bottom of the food chain do what they are told or get fired.
The best they can be are as goats.

For example, why did it take so long to put locks on the cabin doors to
the pilots? Because big budgets and fast talk were more important than
reality.

Good question!

I asked it knowing the answer. It is because it was never about security,
it was about more controls over people. Getting tabs on American
citizens, non-terrorists going to the Caymans for tax evasion. Government
like the mafia, hates ibeing skimmed.

No, I think it was more about the expense to the airlines. That's what I
recall being the big deal at the time.


9/11 was terrorists, but gave the government a good excuse to water down
freedom, track peoples money and become bigger (statism).

Having a locked cockpit has been suggested for decades. Wasn't fancy sell
to politicians to do PR and BS with.

Talk a look at who they do catch, and always there is a person behind it
that takes there job seriously, including profiling and whatever they
can
use.

I don't agree with racial profiling, but I do agree with intelligent
profiling. Seems to me that if someone's father tells the embassy that
his
son is a threat, and then said son gets on a flight to the US, then he
should have at least been pulled from the line, strip searched,
questioned
for an extended period, etc. If it was a mistake (perhaps the father
over-reacted), then fine, he could have his clothes back and continue.

I too don't really like it, even though my profile would let me off the
hook. But the mathematics of probabilities say you must. What is more
important? Being effective or racially blind?

It's not about race. It's about intelligent profiling. It's about ensuring
that the people on the front lines have the right information and are
empowered to use it. Just because someone is black and from Nigeria isn't
enough. There needs to be some other factor.. e.g., no luggage, on a watch
list. Reading a Koran isn't enough, but e.g., screaming infidels must die
would be.


Islam/muslim culture often teaches facism and racism, certainly
intollerance as they tend to be the most violent antions on earth today.
Often literally beheading their own on poliitical not moral motivation.
Sharia law for example, used more often than not as an exebition of power
than of any moral issues.

As does the Christian culture. And, the Christian culture is currently
engaged in several wars.


When dealing with a culture that has a large facist segment, profiling
become a must.

No. It's not cultural. It's radicalization of specific individuals.


We all do it, just many are not as conciously aware of themselves enough
to see it, as many choose to ignore the fact that they actually do just
that.

Yes, we all do it. And the mark of a complete human being is to fight our
more base instincts.

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Nom=de=Plume