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On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:45:46 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:30:43 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:18:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:44:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
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http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/11...y.aspx?ref=rss


NY just passed a new law to protect kids. Now it is a felon, to drive
DWI/DUI with children 15 years of age or less on board.

That ought to help save lives!

George Orwell just wasn't too far off...

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You object to having a legal requirement to drive sober??

Yes.

Why?

I'm too short of time this morning to speak to this adequately. For
the time being, I'll repost what I posted in another thread. I think
it spells out my position somewhat;

To state the case generically does not do the topic justice. There is
a distinction here between retributive justice and preventive
sanctions. The question is which application respects an individual's
personal autonomy and responsibility. Preventive sanctions presume
that the individual must be compelled by legislation to be civically,
morally, and ethically responsible. In this sense, the individual's
autonomy must necessarily be reduced for what is considered the social
good. IMO, this stands in contrast to the deference given to personal
autonomy and liberty by the earliest lawmakers in this country. We've
become to conditioned over time, as a society, to accept the utility
of preventive sanctions at the cost of personal liberty, and this to
the point that a perspective such as mine is considered savagely
extreme. I don't think my perspective would have seemed extreme in
this country's youth. Retributive justice does not presuppose that
the individual must be necessarily be constrained for the good of
society.

If I have time this evening, I'll return to this.

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Bottom line... some people just have to have someone try to control their
anti-social or violent behavior.
It's great to say they will suffer the consequences of their own actions
after the fact, but I'm more concerned with their innocent victims who want
no part of it.