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On 11/23/09 3:11 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:24:46 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On 11/22/09 8:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 11/22/09 4:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 11/22/09 1:30 PM, jps wrote:
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:31 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a
community
organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic
definition
does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early
church.
Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large
in
nearly
all corners of the Roman empire.

I have no doubt you would have termed it pre-Christian if you'd
have
anticipated the tight cranial sphincter of the insurance
salesman.

As you know, there was no "Christian" community during Jesus'
life.
He
was part of the Jewish *Community*. It was a large community,
with
everyone attending the same Temple. Jesus' followers were Jews
who
were dissatisfied with the Temple and thought his ideas had
merit.
He
was the leader of a group that organized people to consider a
different approach to Judaism and life. He tended to their
needs.

I'm sure any lesser mind can discount that he was a community
organizer in the modern sense, but he was.

It was decades before followers of Jesus formed their own
synagogue
to
pursue what eventually became Christianity 10 decades later.
And,
from what I recall, that happened in Italy and elsewhere, not
Israel.

The insurance salesman's disingenuous responses are only meant
to
win
an argument, an artful response to your common sense.


In point of fact, Jesus was a pious Jew, and did not "preach" to
the
pagans. The pagans were the non-Jews in the area where he
allegedly
lived
and preached. He also did not "convert" any Jews or pagans to a
new
religion.

Christianity, as with every other religion, is a creation of man.


Certainly true. But, the philosophy He taught is still around. In
fact,
if
you want to be technical about it, He was resurrected and then
ascended
to
Heaven. He's still here, although we can't see Him.



That's the claim...

There are lots of over-the-top claims in the world of religious
belief.
Very few of them are provable.


Certainly true. It's a claim. It's a faith. I have it, others don't,
but
I'm
not going to impose my faith on others. That's an abomination.



Precisely. Believe what you want, practice it in your homes and your
houses of worship, but keep it out of *my* government.


Absolutely. Sorry if I agree.


OMG, if you're seen agreeing with Harry the rec.boats ignoramuses will
come from the woodwork to say "I told you so" and "She's been totally
indoctrinated" or "I knew it all along."


That's why I apologized. Should I apologize for the apology?

Oh, for heaven's sake yes! You wouldn't want to seem unapologetic for
agreeing with another social liberal in public!

Also, we must be obsequious in order to goosestep with our current
savior in Chief, the Living Christ himself, President Obama.

Remember when Republican were calling for death to all rag heads, to
turn the desert to glass? Same thing.


How can Obama be the living christ? He's not jewish. :)


One of the lost tribes?

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Nom=de=Plume