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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9...

And not much unlike ACORN.

Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him
to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace
on
the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate
his
own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and
sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without
honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in
his
own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell
no
one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering
that
Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."

All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was
more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said
to
be
out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I
provided
no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being
said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be
able
to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case.
Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world
before
the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His
disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a
"revolutionary,"
not
a
community organizer.

There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel
free
to
tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I
don't
need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask.
It's
a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a
panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist
in
the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture.
This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural
components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those
days,
it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to
fitting
the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community
organizer
is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe
Christ
as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a
legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of
writings
from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous',
you
would be quite satisfied to have proven your point.

Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows.

That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant.
These
folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community
organizer
or a revolutionary. They're working with presuppositional
definitions
that they deem free of defect. This might help the wayward
antagonist, though;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary

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You're starting to sound like an apologist for the right nutcases.

As should be obvious, my apologetics are centered elsewhere.

Now for the occasionally indolent reader that may chance upon this
post, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article;

"Community organizing is a process by which people living in
proximity
to each other are brought together in an organization to act in
their
shared self-interest. Unlike other forms of more consensual
"community
building," community organizers generally assume that social
change
necessarily involves conflict and social struggle in order to
generate
collective power for the powerless. A core goal of community
organizing is to generate durable power for an organization
representing the community, allowing it to influence key
decision-makers on a range of issues over time. In the ideal, for
example, this can get community organizing groups a place at the
table
before important decisions are made.[1] Community organizers work
with
and develop new local leaders, facilitating coalitions and
assisting
in the development of campaigns."

Sounds like early Christianity to me.

Em, the question has to do with whether or not Christ was a
community
organizer. Though, what is described in this encyclopedic definition
does not parallel what is described or recorded of the early church.
Early Christianity was set apart from the community-at-large in
nearly
all corners of the Roman empire.

No the question is whether or not the extreme right tried to use
community
organizing against Obama in the election. This has nothing to do with
Jesus
or the organizing he was a part of.

You have a good day today, Em.

You also. Since you haven't rebuked the right's anti-community
organizing
message, I'm assuming you agree with it.

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D'Plume. He answered your question quite well. It's not his problem
that you cannot absorb, let alone the fact that you fall short to
comprehend his reason.

No he didn't. I think it's an embarassment for people who actually think,
yet still kowtow to the right.

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So you're opinion and for their credabilities sake, D'Plume, is that
the educated should only "kowtow" to the left?

Absolutely not! No one should be subservient to intelligent thought and
rational thinking.

And of whom do you feel embarassed for? The left, for letting the
educated escape their clutches? Or the right, for actually admitting
the educated into their realm?

If only the right actually admitted the educated and responsible (I add that
because many on the right are educated, at least somewhat, but they seem to
be subservient.

I feel embarassed for the US. A prime example, during the Republican primary
process where a bunch of guys on stage said that they didn't believe in
evolution.

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