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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on
the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his
own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and
sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without
honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his
own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no
one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that
Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to
be
out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided
no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being
said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able
to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case.
Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world
before
the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His
disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary,"
not
a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to
tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't
need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's
a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a
panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in
the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture.
This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural
components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days,
it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting
the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community
organizer
is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ
as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings
from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

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No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify
obstructionism.

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from
the
right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do
biblical research.

Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to
jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on.

Dude, he posed a question about Jesus being a community organizer. Its
you
and Nom that are dodging the issue. It looks to me like he's miles
ahead.


Sock Puppet: He's miles ahead into fantasyland. Asking for quotes
from the bible that proves Jesus was a community organizer?

Are you common sense challenged too? Do you need to parse the
syllables to get to the true meaning?

Why not just post under your normal handle? Promised to leave?
Plonked by most who've known you previously?

Defensive, are we? You said that he was deflecting. But now its that you
don't know enough about the about the bible to prove that Jesus was a
community organizer. You've been taken to the wood shed and Nom too.
Neither of you know enough to prove your point. You both say that its
this
way or that way and neither of you can back it up. Plonk away now that
you've been schooled.


There isn't much point in taking him to task. He's quick to make
charges of diversion; but, he's been caught using an array of informal
fallacies, begging the question, the strawman, the ignoratio elenchi,
the ad hominem, ad infinitum (that not being one, of course). It's a
never ending tailspin, and it always comes back to his antagonist. One
can only hope that eventually he'll see the wisdom in an honest
discourse.

I figured he would have had me walk the plonk already for pointing out the
errors of his ways.

Errors are your "opinion" since the book you're wallowing in is a
parable, not a historical document. It can be twisted to mean
anything as is evident in its use as a foil for gun ownership and
wars.

Neither of which Jesus would approve.

Carry on.