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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that
Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be
out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case.
Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before
the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His
disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not
a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to
tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't
need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

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No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism.

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the
right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do
biblical research.

My desire is to see Christ described accurately, not as a community
organizer.


He organized and had followers. Are you denying this? They were from the
Jewish community. Are you denying this?

Christ described accurately. What a laugh.

What makes you think your understanding of Christ is the one true
interpretation?

He wasn't even a Christian dude, he was Jewish. Born, lived, died.
All of his followers were Jewish. They all attended Temple,
celebrated the Sabbath, Passover, The New Year and the Harvest.

Guess what? There was no Easter!

The son of God but god himself! Virgin birth! Walked on water!
Turned water into wine? Oh no, that wasn't him. He cured leprosy and
came back from the dead. It's true, it's true!

He sure as hell wasn't a Teutonic blonde. What picture do you have of
him in your house? I'm sure the depiction is equal to your "official"
understanding of him.

Yikes.