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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:55:57 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:07:50 -0700, Canuck57
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nom=de=plume wrote:
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Tonight at 11:15 pm EST, by a 220 to 215 vote, the House passed
their
version of Health Care Reform.

Among the most meaningful pieces of legislation in history
making it
through one body of congress is a big deal. There's lots of
work left
but I'm damned happy a major bridge has been crossed.

All you folks who hate your fellow Americans and don't think
it's
worth the investment have my sympathy.


One lone Republican voted for it. 39 Democrats opposed. That
****es me
off.
Well, it's on to the Senate. I'm sure they'll do something by
2015.

Lets hope they bog it down and 2010 becomes an election issue on
the
very point. A decision this big needs direct voting on the issue.
Hell, if the majority wants government to nationalize health care,
so be
it. But I suspect when people take the time to read, this is a
hidden
tax grab. Get the cash flow to the government and then turn down
survice levels while they skim the moneys.

The polls are very clear in that Americans want health care
reform.

Haley Barbour was on Meet the Press today insisting the majority
of
Americans don't want health care reform. I don't know of a single
poll, apart from heavy Republican districts, who are against
health
care reform.

Lying straight faced is Republican strong suit.

Yes, the people are for health care reform. Or really cheaper
healthcare.
But do they want the government telling them what services they can
have?

Oy. Doesn't that happen right now? What makes you think the
government is going to deny any more procedures or care than the
profit making health care business?

The government has never run anything cheaper than private industry.

Oh boy, here we go. Isn't most medicare administration done by
private industry?

And
ramming through a "healthcare reform" bill in a short time in the
back room
and then voting on it less than 3 days later, leads to those ****ED
UP laws
that the unintended consequences are worse than the cure. The Feds
should
be working on creating sustainable jobs, cutting spending and curing
a
depression first.

Don't you think keeping people solvent who might otherwise be
swamped
by medical costs is a good investment?

Perhaps it's not the first consideration in getting us back on our
economic feet but it's up there.

Did President Bush focus only on invading Iraq or was he also
working
on making the Chinese-funded tax cuts for US rich permanent?

jps, you seem to be a one trick pony. Everything is fubar because
Bush invaded the Middle East. Ain't so, and until you can come up
with resonable debates: kiss my ass!

I find it difficult to find one thing that Bush did with actual
compassionate results. Perhaps the Africa AIDS program, but even that
was messed up.

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Nom=de=Plume


I stated that jps believes all the crap is Bush's fault. Everything
was perfect before Bush 2. Except We are still spending money in
Bosnia, look what a fine place Clinton left Somalia. Bush was not the
one who signed the bill to let banks be brokerage houses. Something
that had worked well after the 1929 crash. I hope you did better
reading on your patent searches.

Somalia? That's pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. Bosnia...
we did a lot of good there. Do you deny that?

It's not all Bush's fault. He just was a significant contributor ...
more than anyone else.

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Bush just added to the Clusterf*&k. Somalia, killed a lot of our men for
nothing. Bosnia was not our problem, we had no right to interfere. And
Albanians and Serbs have been killing each other for 600 years. Let
Europe take care of the problem if needed, was their playground. How
many billions we waste there? And we are still there.


Bush promoted the clusterfk, but ok. Somalia was a mistake, but thousands
of our troops didn't die. "any man's death diminishes me, because I am
involved in mankind").

We saved lives in Bosnia, and it was necessary to "interfere" in ethnic
cleansing. We should have intervened in Rwanda and we should intervene in
Darfur. Don't forget that WW2 started in the region.

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Nom=de=Plume


Why should we interfere in Bosnia because of ethic cleansing? Ruwanda was a
lot better place to interfere. Bosnia has had Albanians cleansing Serbs and
Serbs cleansing Albanians for centuries. But the Albanians seem to have the
upper hand in all the years. They ran death camps for the NAZI and even
some of the Germans were grossed out by the gusto that they went about the
job. Are we the police department for Europe?