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On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume"

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Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers
take
time to
reverse.

NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of
unemployment.
Even
the simps should be able to comprehend...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl...

Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business,
(the
part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end
of a
recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to
employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will
encourage
small business to lay people off AND encourage other small
businesses
to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for
growth
is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will
also
keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses.
The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy
"toxic
mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with
nearly
no
such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now,
Barney
Frank
wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low
standards to
force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the
insurance
companies will collapse.


Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality.

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Nom=de=Plume


Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a
kid,
there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away
when
the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did
starting
out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost
of
business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like
in
California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in
internet
sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced
the
tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad
we
were
not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your
car?
Take
it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color
paints
now.
But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use
the
good
paint.



I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small
business
re
heathcare.

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Nom=de=Plume


He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a
business
can not make a decent profit, then the business will close.

Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out
of the
kitchen.

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That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you
get
more business closing and more unemployment.

This must be a joke or you're lying.

The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own)
are
being weighed down by the escalating costs.

My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that
health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that.
Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost
on our lawmakers.

So, are you ignorant or are you lying?

Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of
health care?

By creating an atmosphere of competition.

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Nom=de=Plume


Competition? How?

Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not
Fox).

You have an opponent who will turn a blind eye to anything that will
not support his prejudiced views.

He wants to hate government, he wants to hate Obama. He's going to do
whatever he can to maintain those positions, hell or high water.


Well, I prefer to think of Bill as someone who would take a reasonable view
if he made an effort to think through the situation and look at the facts.
Even if he doesn't believe that the heathcare legislation would create more
competition, he should be aware of the argument that it does do so. He ask
how the gov't was going to reduce over all costs. I replied by creating more
competition, which is the standard of economic process toward that goal. The
response (how?) makes no sense, given what is being talked about all over
the US.

He's a curmudgeon -- keeps those blinders adjusted real tight. Tight
enough to cut off blood flow.

The argument against the public option could take several different
tacts. Most likely, however, it'll include his disdain for government
subsidized programs that cost tax $. Then he'll argue that they'd
better not cut off his medicare coverage in order to offer a public
option.