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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:03:13 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:


They pay less, have less onerous work rules, and would pay even
less, if
the unions were not getting a bunch from the bankrupt companies
and
taxpayers.

Funny, instead of focusing on bottom up, perhaps more focus should
be
placed on top down. Toyota's top 37 executives earned a combined
$21.6
million. That bum Wagoner's compensation, alone, was $14.4
million.
At
Honda, the top 21 executives earned $11.1 million combined.
Ford's
CEO
Mulally's compensation was $17.7 million in 2008. If the boss
thinks
there's that kind of money floating around, why wonder if the
working man
wants a piece.

Or, is this just another example of voodoo economics, you know,
Reagan's
"tinkle down" economics?

Yes, the **** poor managment of the Big 3 auto companies is famous.
And they are overpaid. But why should the guy on the assembly line
with maybe a GED putting on lugnuts also be overpaid. As I said
bad
management also. As to the lower pay of the Japanese. Is true, but
is not a true picture of the pay. They basically have unlimited
expense accounts, which mitigates a lot of personal taxes.

How do you determine if s/he is overpaid? What the criteria? Seems
to
me either union or non-union it's a negotiation that ends up at the
market rate.

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Compare her wage to what you would have to pay anywhere else
including
shipping and time value and you have a valid market wage.

Anywhere else? How about Mexico, since it's pretty close. Something
manufactured in TJ, delivered to San D. That's the valid market rate
in
TJ, but the living expenses are pretty different.

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Yup, used to not be that huge differential in pay between the 2
countries. We did not pay our people 10x, but maybe 3x even mexico.

Right on. And, who's standard of living is better? What do we get for
the
taxes we pay vs. what those in Mexico pays?

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What do we get from our excess taxation?

The greatest country in the world?

The most fertile climate for business start ups, expansion, financing,
educated population, semi-efficient transportation, clean air, water,
medical research, etc., etc.

If you don't like it you can always relocate. I'm sure Mexico would
be pleased to host you.

Sorry if you consider this lying.

We used to be the most fertile climate for business. Now? We rank low in
education, even through the Federal government took over education control
from the states, We are exporting our manufacturing and techical jobs.
This is a good business climate. Mexico is a country with a very strong
central government and you see what that country is going through. Look at
the permitting required for a lot of business. 10-15 different agencies
with conflicting requirements. We have lost the edge. And I do not see
with the present politicians from both sides of the aisle that we have a
clue on how to fix it.

Mexico once had an emerging middle class. Their economy was headed
north. Then they decided they didn't need a middle class, the rich
needed more money. Guess what happened? They went in the ********.

Any clues there for you?

Reagan and GW Bush did whatever they could to dismantle the middle
class in favor of the rich. Where did it get us? That's right Bill,
into a ********.

Borrowing money from China to pay for tax cuts to the rich. Brilliant.