On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:13:15 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:42:56 -0500, gfretwell wrote:


That is a nice living room discussion but people in combat situations
sometimes do not make those distinctions. I am not even sure that was
framed as "torture" in the training, just as an interrogation technique.
One of the guys I have known most of my life was in Force Recon
(Marines) That is why I know what Nov 10 is ;-) The trainers beat the
crap out of them in training and went out of their way to harden them to
death, pain and general misery. It is pretty hard to tell these guys,
splashing a little water in someone's face is torture.

*If* splashing a little water was all that happened. An estimated 100
detainees died during, or immediately after, interrogations. I don't
think splashing a little water could do that. Torture could.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...ured-to-death/

http://www.aclu.org/human-rights/us-...istan-and-iraq

Thunder, your sources don't appear to be the most believable, but even
so...

From the ACLU source:

"The documents show that detainees were hooded, gagged, strangled,
beaten with blunt objects, subjected to sleep deprivation and to hot
and cold environmental conditions."

You'll note there is no mention of 'waterboarding'.

Between the two cites, we start with, "...An estimated 100 detainees
have died during interrogations, some who were clearly tortured to
death." (dailybeast0

We then read, "The documents released today include 44 autopsies and
death reports..." (ACLU) We then get to, "...According to the
documents, 21 of the 44 deaths were homicides."(ACLU)

And lastly we read, "Eight of the homicides appear to have resulted
from abusive techniques used on detainees..."(ACLU)

And I'm not saying that abuses didn't occur. But, no where do I see
any evidence of waterboarding being the indescribably horrendous
torture which liberals try to make it.