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...will last until the union or the government figures out
a way to
stop it.
" Ford is also running into resistance from its unionized
work force
as it tries to cut costs further.
Its improving fortunes were the main reason cited by the
United
Automobile Workers on Monday for rejecting another round of
labor
concessions that would have roughly matched concessions
that workers
at Chrysler and General Motors approved in the spring."
The U.A.W.'s president, Ron Gettelfinger, and its vice
president in
charge of the Ford unit, Bob King, said in a statement that
the
carmaker's third-quarter profit was "evidence of the
contributions
that Ford workers have made.""
http://tinyurl.com/ya4pyay
Why should they cave to demands from management? How about
producing decent products that people want to buy?
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Nom=de=Plume
They are decent products. But if you are paying some low
skilled laborer excess money, then the decent product is
priced out of the market.
Then, when the contract expires the company should seek to
renegotiate. It takes two parties to make a contract. If
there's good management in place, then the union members will
feel better about consessions.
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Nom=de=Plume
Yup, they should pay the workers what they are worth. A lot
less than they are making. $65 bundled labor cost to install a
lug nut?
Yes. I agree. What, pray tell, are they worth? Who determines
this? You?
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Nom=de=Plume
The market place. Not the union strong arming the company.
Between the union and **** poor management over the at least 40
years before the crash, there is no way the car companies can
succeed.
Hate to tell you, but a negotiated contract _is_ the market rate.
Looks like Ford is going to do ok and even GM is doing better.
Chrysler I think is on the way out completely.
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Nom=de=Plume
The artificial market rate. **** Poor management is the reason for
those egregious contracts. American car companies at the time had
80 or 90% of the world market. Why worry about fiscal
responsibility when you could pass on the cost and produce crappy
cars. Now the real market rate is maybe 25% of the negotiated
rate. My daughter bought a used Hyundai station wagon a couple
years ago. 100k warrantee, good car, 70% the price of a comparable
American car. Buy American? Not when it comes with a 42% premium.
For a car with less warrantee.
Please show us the data for the "real" market rate. Yes. ****-poor
management. I agree. Thus, unions came into being.
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Nom=de=Plume
Look at what the non union successful car companies are paying and a
valid market rate is less than that.
Huh? Non union car companies not paying a valid market rate? How do
you figure that one?
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Nom=de=Plume
They pay less, have less onerous work rules, and would pay even less,
if the unions were not getting a bunch from the bankrupt companies and
taxpayers.
So, the non-union car companies pay a valid market rate, which is fine
if you can convince the workers to get rid of the union. It doesn't
happen that often, but I have no problem with it per se.
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Nom=de=Plume
Basically the non union shops pay the workers enough and will build a
plant somewhere else if they need more capacity if the shop goes union.
Thus they pay the valid market rate. Not sure what you mean by "enough."
Union shops pay a valid market rate also, but with different facts
involved. They will also build a plant somewhere else if they need more
capacity union or no union.
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Nom=de=Plume
Valid market rate? If the job could financially be outsourced then it will
be. In the 1980's the fully bundled labor costs in a tech factory in
Malaysia was about $3.50 an hour. Why disk drives were assembled overseas,
as the bundled labor cost here was above $35 an hour. Due to government
overspending and excess union contracts we have priced America out of most
manufacturing jobs. Government has added to this. Most government
contracts require "prevailing wages". They mean union wages and not what
the prevailing market rate is.