NotNow wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Nov 4, 6:14 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:11:58 -0500, NotNow wrote:
Please read completely. Don't kill the messenger, don't give anecdotal
crap, but respond with good, solid science to refute each of the
points.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0219-01.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific...al_oscillation

I'll condense it for you.

1750: PDO displays an unusually strong oscillation.[2]
1905: After a strong swing, PDO changed to a "warm" phase.
1946: PDO changed to a "cool" phase. [See the blue section of the
graph on the right]
1977: PDO changed to a "warm" phase.[3]
1998: PDO index showed several years of "cool" values, but did not
remain in that pattern.[4]
2008: The early stages of a cool phase of the basin-wide Pacific
Decadal Oscillation

That does NOTHING to scientifically prove that man has had no impact
on global warming.

If you follow all of the long term sciences such as Archeology,
Paleontology, etc. you will see that all of them show the long term
cyclic variation in the climate. In fact from those same sciences,
the climate is now at a 100k year peak, and is about to take the
plunge to a much colder climate.

One of the recent studies that confirmed this trend was the study of
the settlement in what is now the English Channel and the North Sea.

If these algorian and obamodytes really believed in global warming
they would be supporting the operations of nuclear plant, be 100%
behind the construction of new nuclear plants, and not closing the
western waste storage facility. The only possible conclusion from
their actions is that climate change is nothing more that a new way to
tax the American Voter.


Again, (and again) no one is saying that cyclic warming/cooling events
haven't taken place. BUT, there is lots of data that shows a direct
correlation between CO2 levels and warming. It just amazes me that some
just shove this data under the table and instead let the republican
party talking heads act as their scientists.

These same long term studies show that the changing Carbon Dioxide
levels were occurring long before man, started to build the current
society. Carbon Dioxide levels are cyclic just like the temperatures.

Even the privative climate computer models can not explain the cooling
that has occurred in the past 10 years when the Carbon dioxide levels
are supposedly raising.

IF man knew EVER VARIABLE affecting the climate and he had a
SUFFICIENTLY SOPHISTICATED computer model that showed global warming
then we should act, until then anything we do is likely to make the
situation worst as we don't know what we are doing. We have picked a
couple of dozen variables out of millions and are trying to predict the
future. It is like me modeling the stock market on my 386 laptop and
betting a a million dollars on stocks that my computer says is going up.