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jps

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:09:49 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:11:23 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:55:12 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:43:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)

You mean like not using Freon? That actually worked, and the ozone hole has
been greatly reduced. FYI, a woman's effort.

What nobody says is they made more freon after the "ban" than they had
before it. China never stopped and they made close to a billion R-12
(the worst stuff) refrigerators after the ban. Mexico was still
selling R-12 for many years after the ban (and probably still are)
A few years ago I read an article about the gray market in it.
You can still get R-22 but the end of US manufacture is this year I
believe.

A rational person who actually understands how much freon was made and
released would have to say that ozone hole was a natural cycle that
cycled the other way ... all by itself.

Maybe it wasn't what was being produced contemporaneously, but what
had already been produced, distributed, stockpiled and leaking into
the air.

Freon is still being produced, stockpiled and leaked into the air.
That stuff that was already here in 1997 was still here and I bet less
than 10% of it ever got recycled. Most ended up being vented when the
garbage truck crushed the appliance. I know that is what happened to
my old AC unit. They made a big deal about the freon and how I had to
call for a special pickup, then a claw truck came by, grabbed it and
smashed it right there at the curb. They did the same thing to my old
fridge.
You sure can't say Montreal had anything to do with the ozone hole
closing up.
I fear "global warming" will be another thing just like that. How many
times do you respond to cries of "wolf"

But that's happening less frequently every day, since the day they
began winding down it's production from the peak.

With replacements available, the need for freon has declined.