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jps

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:45:37 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:34:01 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:10:33 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:51:53 -0500, H the K
wrote:

The scam is what activists are saying we need to do to "fix" it.
Basically, what ever their agenda was 30 years ago is now revived to
stop global warming. (higher gas taxes, stop eating meat. ban cars,
ZPG or whatever)

Higher gas taxes, eating less meat, driving smaller cars and
controlling population would benefit all of us, whatever the motivation.

So sell it that way and stop making up lies that this will stop global
climate change in any way at all.

It is like the Iraq war. If we had just said at the outset, this was
to stop an Iraqi/Isreali war, we could have made a rational decision.
As it was we had a lie, compounded by obfuscation and denial.
It certainly had noting to do with oil but that was what the left
said. (Saddam would have been more than happy to sell us oil at a
bargain price)
The right talked about direct threats to the US and that is BS too.

Huh? Dick Cheney and George Bush in office and it had nothing to do
with oil? It was to prevent Israel going to war with Saddam?

Over what, Saddam's payments to jihadists?

You've got to be kidding...

We went to war with Saddam so Israel wouldn't attack them ... again.
(you do remember that?)

I remember that in the litany of excuses about why we were there.

I don't understand why you didn't pick any of the others?
WMD, drones, Winnebagos, Terrorist training camps, the poor trampled
Iraqi masses, mass graves, nuclear weapons materials, yellowcake,
tubes, etc.

Why isn't the big pool of oil under the country your focus. They knew
Saddam was hobbled. They knew the country would be taken over by Iran
if someone didn't fill the void first. Kissinger has been telling
every administration for four decades to go in and occupy the mid-east
so no one else gets their hands on that oil.

You assume it's because we were protecting Israel from getting their
hands dirty?

That dog won't hunt.

We are threatening Iran right now for exactly the same reason.
If we don't stop their nuclear program Israel will.

We are not acting as surrogates for Israel. They will act on their
own as the need dictates, as we've seen many times before. They may
seek our approval but they will move on their own as needed.

Saddam would have sold us cheap oil forever.

Not if he lost control of the country.

The problem is he would
have used the money to buy arms to fight Israel with.

Baloney. He was our stooge and all he wanted was more oil.

As long as he
was just fighting with Iran we were in love with him.

The writing was on the wall. The embargos had weakened him. He was
on his knees and lots inside and out of his circle knew it. You think
neither the US nor Iran knew it? Don't fool yourself.

While you are looking up the Israeli attack on Saddams nuclear plant,
look up Gerald Bull.

I'll do that.