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John H.[_9_]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:53:49 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:41:51 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:03:42 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:59:39 -0400, John H.
wrote:

You missed the point, these things get burned here, not put in the
dump. Deposits are just a tax. It may be a handy way to employ
unskilled labor in a make work job but that is the only redeeming
thing.

They could be burnt after being returned to the store. The stores
would just be centralized collection points. I'll bet a lot fewer
empties would be in the ditches, on the golf courses, or floating in
the bay.

I suppose that might make a lot of sense if you live in a place where
they have a huge litter problem but I bet it would be cheaper in the
long run to pay people to pick up the trash. I know you think that is
"free" in a place with a deposit law but I would compare the cost of
product before the deposit is added and show you where you are paying.

To start with, most places where this happens pay the merchant 2 cents
a bottle or so, just for handling them. That money comes from you
somewhere.

You missed the point. The deposit should be steep enough that people
want to bring them back - or, better yet, not buy them at all. Then
the energy used to make the damn things could be saved.

So you don't care if everything delivered in a bottle got a 5-10%
price increase or that the price increase got spread out across the
whole grocery store inventory?
Even if the deposit was a one for one swap with no real cost
(fantasy), there is still a handling charge on the empties.
They stopped using deposit bottles for a reason., It is very expensive
and uses almost fuel to return them as it does to deliver the product
in the first place.
If you simply burn the plastic bottles to produce electricity it is
simply a one way fuel delivery charge with the use as a container as a
bonus.

Soda and water bottles only. That's where most of the trash is. My
plastic bottles are being picked up now, and transported, and sorted
and on and on.

The store could have a dumpster for empty water and soda bottles. One
pickup, then burn 'em. No handling charge, no sorting. 5-10% sounds
good. Or more. People would get their money back when they returned
the plastic bottles.

Wouldn't bother me a bit.

The places that have deposits pay 2 or 3 cents apiece to the retailer
for handling the bottle.
It is still not enough to pay for handling them.
That money comes from the consumer.

I am pretty surprised that a small government conservative like you
wants this government boondoggle.

Finished? Good.