wf3h wrote in
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On Sep 28, 7:42*pm, Zombywoof wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:33:36 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"





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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:55:32 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
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On Sep 26, 2:21Â*pm, "RD (The Sandman)" rdsandman(spamlock)
@comcast.net wrote:
wf3h wrote
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in fact, i've done ALOT of work with IBM over the last 20
years. they're one of the most inventive and competitive
companies in th
e
world. and their semiconductor plants are unionized

Not over that 20 years they weren't. Â*Unionization is quite a
recent
thing with IBM. Â*The first alliance was in 1999.

thanks for proving my point. the semiconductor industry in the
US ha
s
collapsed. but IBM remains competitive due to its unionized
workforc
e

i agree that unionization is a wonderful thing. the NON
unionized companies in silicon valley have disappeared.

Now, in recent history,
in 2001, IBM cut 500 workers in Burlington, VT, 400 in
Endicott, NY
,
200 in East Fishkill, 180 in Rochester, NY, 150 in Freemont, CA
and 75 in Raliegh, NC. Â*In 2002, over 9,000 jobs were cut in
June
of
2002
and another 14,000 in August of the same year. Â*Their was a ma
ss
terminatio
n
at Lotus Professional Services (which is owned by IBM). Â*Half
of
the
consultants working there were told to find new jobs withing
LPS or be let go. Â*The IBM retirement package now requires
that new
retirees
will have to pay for medical benefits. Â*

again, thanks for proving my point. national semi in silicon
valley
is
closed. non union. phillips in san antonio is closed. non union.
motorola is closed. non union. again and again it's the NON
union plants that have disappeared.

Yep, IBM in the US has laid off over 10,000 employees while moving
mos
t
of its semiconductor stuff overseas where the union is stronger.

So much for increased benefits by being unionized. Â*;(

really?

so why don't you get a job with a non-unionized plant?

oh. there aren't any

thanks again for proving why unions are great.

Nope, just proving that unions are like a fungus. *They pop up
virtually
anywhere and will do whatever they have to to stay in power. *I
have
had
experience in union shops and non union shop and, believe me,
merit pa
y
systems are much better.

If you have merit, then yes. *If all you do is basically show up
eve
ry
day, then no. *All-in-all it is a mindset paradigm. *

It is one of the reasons that most public sector employees are
perceived as not doing dick (The old 50 government workers & 50
Lesbians in one room joke). *Since excellence will not lead to a
pay increase, promotion, or any other type of personal reward most
do not bother. *In those organizations there is absolutely no
reason to exc
el
since excellence is not rewarded.

That is particularly true in union shops.

Right you are. *The best you can hope for in a Union Shop is
longevity, even then that's a crap shoot at best come plant closing
time.
--

not as much of a crapshoot as it is with no union shop.


Life is a crapshoot.......I just didn't believe lazy *******s should get
the same pay I did. Didn't like it then, wouldn't like it now. Merit
pay is the only way to go......unless, of course, that's where you have
trouble passing muster.

--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

"Fear is the foundation of most governments."

President John Adams