On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:08:25 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Sep 28, 2:57*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Sep 28, 12:49*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 12:39*pm, Jack wrote:

I never said that, and you have no basis to say "rich" people don't
work hard. *How could you know?

and you have no basis on which to say middle class people don't work
hard. how would you know?

Another thing I never said or wrote. *You just keep on making it up as
you go, don't you?

It's called a "red herring" argument, an informal fallacy, and he uses
it consistently without scruple. * I don't think progressives ever
really study these informal fallacies (or formal) that they are so
fond of using. * And that's odd, because they use them so meticuously.

I can understand using this type of argument if your position can't
stand on it's own merits.

But that begs the question: Why would you take a position that doesn't
stand on it's own merits? That's illogical.

Propaganda doesn't have to be logical. It just has to be effective.

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