"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Sep 23, 12:00 pm, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

So why don't you give us the list of items you used to claim your
"objective
measures"...

#
# the fact that under bush, the middle class had no increase in the
# standard of living while the richest 1% saw their income triple, for
# example...that the kind of data you need...and, will, of couse, ignore

1) that's not a list, dummy
2) Nor is it an objective measure, since you can NOT demonstrate
causality
#
# now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and
# therefore everything he does is wrong

Apparently true in your universe of ignorance, prejudice and bigotry
Not true in my world of reasoned thought.

#
# but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed
# our economy and trashed the middle class
#
# uh...OK....


See above
Start by learning the meaning of the word "causality" and it's difference
from "corelation"
They are not the same words, nor do they have the same meaning.





The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.

It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their
products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich

#
# the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation primarily because global
# corporatism has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.
#

1) The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world
That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally
#
# uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their
# respective countries due to our collapsing economy. in fact, americans
# are headed to china to find jobs, as the washington post reported the
# other day.

And ?
Recessions occur
Apparently, in your world a recession is a sign of abject poverty
Why don't you go in the meantime and look up the figures for legal and
illegal immigrants to the US
Compare them to the rates of immigration occurring in other countries.



or not
2) The reason that jobs are being exported is because
"liberal/progressive" laws, such as minimum wage, welfare, which increases
the cost of labor to the point where it's cheaper to move it elsewhere
where
the costs are lower
#
# uh...no. the reason jobs are being exported is that america is owned
# by folks like bush who believe that capital gains are the most
# important measure of humanity.

Do you specialise in stupid projections
Or did you learn how to do it in school ?


# none of the policies you
# cite...minimum wage (which hadnt gone up in 20 years), or welfare, has
# ANY effect on our economy at all. what DOES have an effect is the
# policies that allow america's companies to find places where there are
# no unions, no worker protection, no minimum wage, nothing to protect
# people at all

Which once again goes to show that you're an ignorant parrot
If you think that welfare, which has been expanding has NO Effect on the
economy, then you are a bigger idiot than you've shown yourself to be so far
Only an idiot would believe that an economy where an ever-growing number of
people are sucking on the public tit, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, an
ever-DECREASING number of people are paying for it.

#
# and that is, in fact, the right view view of america: destroy the
# middle class and make us like a 3rd world country.

Too bad that history shows that it's socialism in all it's various forms
that effectively destroys the middle class
But then, since you're an ignorant idiot just spouting cant that you
have memorized with no comprenhension, it's no surprise that you don't know
what you're spouting



Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive
like to brag about as their greatest achievements.
3) And most of the debt has been achieved with
Democratliberal/progressive policies of Wealth redistribution
#
# fairy tales are the staple of the right wing. there hasnt been a
# 'liberal' govt in the US since the mid 60's and johnson's 'great
# society'. right wingers fail to note that the middle class suffered
# the most under reagan, and the 2 bushes.

The slsow destruction of the middle class started long before the Great
Society
Go back all the way to FDR.

The middle class is the productive and innovative part of any society
When you tax them to the bone, to pay for "social services" you effectively
destroy their ability to produce and enrich themselves and the rest of
society
And it's socialism and the creation of an indigent lower class through
welfare programs that is the primary cause of the destruction of the middle
class.

#
# so tell us again how allowing wall street to continue its greed will
# save the middle class...that seems to be all you right wingers have to
# offer.

Wall street is where the middle-class invest their savings to grow the
economy
By destroying wall street, the socialist also destroy the means for the
middle class to make their savings grow.
Which effectively destroys the middle class.

But hey, don't let me stop you from projecting your ignorant cant