On Sep 23, 12:00*pm, "SaPeIsMa" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

So why don't you give us the list of items you used to claim your
"objective
measures"...

#
# the fact that under bush, the middle class had no increase in the
# standard of living while the richest 1% saw their income triple, for
# example...that the kind of data you need...and, will, of couse, ignore

1) * *that's not a list, dummy
2) * *Nor is it an objective measure, since you can NOT demonstrate
causality

now let me see...it's 'causality' that obama is a 'socialist' and
therefore everything he does is wrong

but it's NOT causality when the policies that bush followed destroyed
our economy and trashed the middle class

uh...OK....


The one thing I'll agree on is that Clinton was far too in love with
globalism. He hastened our demise buying into the Republican wet
dream of global corporatism.

It's "global corporatism", that is US corporations selling their products,
goods, and services, all over the planet that made the US so rich

#
# the US isn't rich. we're a debtor nation primarily because global
# corporatism has exported jobs in a race to the bottom.
#

1) * *The US is rich compared to the majority of the countries in the world
* * * * That's why we have so many people who want to migrate here, legally

uh...no. over 100,000 indians and chinese are headed back to their
respective countries due to our collapsing economy. in fact, americans
are headed to china to find jobs, as the washington post reported the
other day.


or not
2) * *The reason that jobs are being exported is because
"liberal/progressive" laws, such as minimum wage, welfare, which increases
the cost of labor to the point where it's cheaper to move it elsewhere where
the costs are lower

uh...no. the reason jobs are being exported is that america is owned
by folks like bush who believe that capital gains are the most
important measure of humanity. none of the policies you
cite...minimum wage (which hadnt gone up in 20 years), or welfare, has
ANY effect on our economy at all. what DOES have an effect is the
policies that allow america's companies to find places where there are
no unions, no worker protection, no minimum wage, nothing to protect
people at all

and that is, in fact, the right view view of america: destroy the
middle class and make us like a 3rd world country.

* * * * Most of those policies are things the Democrat/liberal/progressive
like to brag about as their greatest achievements.
3) * *And most of the debt has been achieved with
Democratliberal/progressive policies of Wealth redistribution

fairy tales are the staple of the right wing. there hasnt been a
'liberal' govt in the US since the mid 60's and johnson's 'great
society'. right wingers fail to note that the middle class suffered
the most under reagan, and the 2 bushes.

so tell us again how allowing wall street to continue its greed will
save the middle class...that seems to be all you right wingers have to
offer.