On Sep 22, 10:10*am, Toots Sweet wrote:
On Sep 22, 9:25*am, wf3h wrote:


middle class incomes rose under clinton. they collapsed under bush. if
you disagree, post the data. the lastest salary surveys show middle
class income increased about 1.5% a year under clinton...and went
nowhere under bush

Has nothing to do with the FACT that Obama is lying now does that.

IOW you admit the middle class has been destroyed by the rich and
nothing obama is doing will cause more damage

but you're paranoid about obama. yep. sounds like a right wing
fanatic.

the RICH, *however, did EXTREMELY well under bush, with the income of
the richest 1% almost tripling under his regime

So? *Who creates wealth - the government? *Don't blame GWB for lousy
investment choices you made.

wealth? you mean my -35% change in my 401K? that the wealth you
talking about? or how about the wealth where i have to pay more taxes
to bail out the rich hedge fund managers, banks, etc.

perhaps if you could tell me WHERE this fabled wealth is that the rich
create for the middle class actually IS you'd have some credibility.

and i didn't make the choice. shearson did. goldman sachs did. Bof A
did. all the while you're sucking the dick of the rich, they're
stealing from you...as you ADMIT...then you blame it on obama

jesus you're freakin' stupid.


Obama, on the other hand, is lying through his teeth about almost
everything in both domestic affairs and foreign affairs. He's lied
about health care costs,

what could he lie about? that we have the most costly and least
efficient health care in the world, courtesy of your rich friends?

Really. *Well, that must explain why 90% of the American populace
likes their health insurance and want to keep it.

that's because they rarely use it.

That must also
explain the ready availability of health care when you catch a cold
and run do the doctor.

really? i've got a buddy who's a cop near pittsburgh. the only
physical he got in the last 30 years was the one i gave him when i was
in nursing school. he doesn't have health insurance.

so perhaps you're willing to trust your family's health to student
nurses. is that what you're saying? or you're willing to go without
care for 30 years?


*That must explain all the CAT/PET/MRI testing
available. *That certainly must explain all the recent advances in
terminal cancer care. *That must explain cheapo flu shots. *Drug
investments. *That must explain why Canadians and other people from
other countries come here for advanced treatments.

IT'S THE RICH!!!

funny that OTHER countries with 'socialized medicine' have EXACTLY the
same healthcare available.

oh. you forgot about that because you're busy sucking rich tit.



Honestly - do you ever actually think? *Logically? *About anything?

says the guy who just dropped in from mars...


*he's lied to seniors about Medicare and

Medicare Advantage, he can't even get his story straight about his own
daughter (Michelle and Barry told two completely different stories
about their daughter's meningitis incident),

nobody cares

Not true. *People do care. *They care a lot. And you and your fellow
leftists saw just how powerful the "average" American feels about
everything.

really? you think someone who lost his job, and his healthcare stays
awake at night saying 'i wonder what's going on with the obama kids'

christ you right wingers live in a bubble.


Oh, and before you claim that it was all "special interests", please
explain why the SEIU beat up people and restricted access to the "town
halls" after it became an issue when the ladies and gentlemen of our
Congress were confronted by angry average Americans?

uh the last time i checked the SEIU wasn't part of the US govt.
perhaps you've heard otherwise.

*Explain why
Democratic Congressmen and women in secure seats had to hide behind
pre-screened "tele conferences" rather than explain all this in person
to their constituents?

uh huh. kind of like when cheney met behind closed doors with the
chairman of exxon/mobile and all of a sudden we had an energy policy!!



One more thing - please explain why Federal, State and Union medical
benefits will not change while all other Americans will have to change
their plans if they want to stay insured. *You might want to think
about this also. *If these plans are so great, why aren't our
legislators at the State and Federal level participating in all this
health care change goodness?

no one's going to have to change anything. you just seem to think that
the rich will provide everything. if so, tell me how my friend gets
health insurance while he's on duty protecting people like you who
tell him how lucky he is not to have health coverage...


*he fabricated two

completely false horror stories about dropped insurance coverage,
abandoned Eastern Europe without gaining anything from the Russians
including the Russians placing missiles on the Polish border,

you mean the missile system, favored by bush, that would have cost
BILLIONS,

and doesn't work? that the system you're referring to? and, of course,
he's replacing it with a system that DOES work...the aegis system...

The Aegis System won't work either - not against ICBMs.

hey idiot...iran doesn't have ICBM's. christ you ARE
stupid...amazingly stupid...a perfect storm of stupidity

and the system obama cancelled?

IT DOESNT WORK AGAINST ICBM's...but it WOULD cost BILLIONS of dollars

typical right winger. spend LOTS of money on something that DOESNT
work merely to enrich the rich and to pretend he's a patriot

no wonder you love bush. he's as incompetent as you are



With respect to "doesn't work", I think the Air Force would beg to
differ. *There are Youtube videos of successful tests.

ROFLMAO!! hey moron. i'm an engineer. you can make ANY test come out
successful if you want. go ahead tell me how this system would work
against REALY ICBM's that iran doesn't have, OK?


*I suggest that
you look them up. *Not that it will convince you in particular because
you are inculcated into the liberal mind set (frozen in time you might
say), but it might convince others that you aren't being entirely
truthful and have, in fact, drank the Kool-Aid of leftist political
thought.

uh huh. i suppose you right wingers think that, if you close your
eyes, and click your heels together, all those nasty problems will
just go away...

how's toto by the by?



oh. you're ****ed because those billions would have gone to bush's
rich friends

Not at all. Extrapolation isn't one of your strong points I see.

I'm "****ed", as you so delightfully put it, because when Iran gets to
chucking nuclear missiles around the Middle East, I'll have to say I
told you so and that would annoy me to no end.

it wouldn't bother me in the least if iran nuked the middle east.
couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.

and you? you'd spend billions we don't have, just to make sure the
rich stay rich, on a system that, when the nukes go off, wouldn't work
worth a damn....


he's

abandoning Isreal to its fate,

abandoning israel? anyone believe that? *bueller? bueller?

Yes - the Isrealies believe it and they know it to be true. *They are
being thrown to the wolves in the name of "peace".

ah. 'they' know it to be true. and we know this because you're saying
it.

golly...


*foreign heads of government think he's

an empty suit, he's lied about Cap and Trade, he's lied about tax
increases, Iran and North Korea are making him look foolish and even
the damn French don't like him.

iran and n. korea...n. korea became a nuclear power under bush. *they
did their first nuke test under bush. iran started its centrifuges
under bush.

Oh gosh - another trite BOOOOOOSH comment. *Clinton allowed it -
Albright was his go-to gal on that one. *I can see history isn't one
of your strong points either.

uh...the nuke test was done in n. korea under bush. bush did
absolutely nothing about it. and yet you blame obama

IOW you don't know what year this is.




you seem to have forgotten obama's been president for 8 months. you
have him confused with bush.

I'm fully aware that President Obama has been in office for 8 months.
I'm also fully aware that he's becoming a complete and total failure
in terms of leadership not to mention that the country is now
officially worse off than it was under President Bush. *And that's
hard to do.

as i said....every failure you attribute to obama happened under the
bush administration. all of them

yet you think obama's been president for 8 years. amazing how you
right wingers think