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On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 23:43:46 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 21:31:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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I originally typed "Obama" but I didn't want to keep slamming a guy
who is basically a puppet for the people who put him in office. You
notice he has backed off of all of his "change" rhetoric since his
Jimmy Carter moment (roughly defined as the day he realized the
president is largely a ceremonial office)
Gore has their ear and is the high priest in the carbon tax crusade.
That cult has taken over the left.


How do you come to the conclusion that Obama is a puppet? The majority
of
Americans put him in office and by a wide margin in the electoral
college.

Every president since Nixon was a puppet of the monied people who put
him in office. It is getting worse each cycle.

Well, in that sense ok.

Nobody comes up with a billion dollars without owing a lot of
allegiance to a lot of rich people. You also have party pressures.
That is what knocked down all of Carter's lofty goals. I only bring
him up as an example of an "outside the beltway" guy who came to town
promising to change the way government worked. He was ground up and
reduced to a gray paste in 3 months, much like Mr Obama.

The jury is still out with Obama. I hope it won't happen. We need it not
to
happen.

I guess it's got to be someone's fault, so Gore is it

Gore is the spiritual leader of the carbon tax cult, no more, no less.
In that regard he is the democratic equivalent of Jerry Falwell or
Rick Warren who also were not government officials but had a lot of
influence on Bush's policies and controlled a lot of votes.

I'm unconvinced by either those groups... carbon tax vs. cap and trade. I
should read more about it.


We probably don't have much to argue about ;-)

I'm sure we can find something! lol

I stopped being a Republican about a year into the GHWB administration
but I still can't be a Democrat.

I stopped in high school.

I really place the decline of America as starting about 1989-1990 and
going steadily downhill since then.

It started a bit before that... pre-1961:

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst3...ts/indust.html

That was when we started looting our corporations in the name of
increasing quarterly profit numbers. They were selling off capital
assets, shipping the jobs offshore and calling it profit. By the mid
90s they had sold about everything there was to sell and they started
this "money out of thin air" mumbo jumbo with financial instruments
that grew in price but didn't actually build any value. The
commodities modernization act of 2000, I spoke of earlier, really
opened the door for abuse and it was unanimously passed by both houses
with the endorsement of the White House. Only 4 congressmen opposed,
it led by my hero, Ron Paul.

Well, we don't have much to argue about. Ron Paul is a wacko, but at least a
nice one.

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