On Jul 19, 8:16*am, John Kuthe wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:53*am, Davej wrote:
On Jul 19, 5:22*am, Wilko wrote:

[...] For me, the most effective way of getting a really good roll was
to go playboating. Rolling up in every position and from every flip as
quickly as possible. The second best training that was more useful
when my basic left and right roll wasn't as good yet was to go in the
pool and get one or two buddies to counter my roll. They would do
that by either actively turning my boat against my roll, or by flipping
me again just when I was about to come up. That kind of
unplanned movement against my roll made my roll a lot better and
more bombproof than training to get just the exact situation that you
would encounter with aerated water.

Yes, you can have people jostle and torque the boat -- but how much
torque is the right amount to simulate aerated water?

The roll is not in the paddle. Otherwise there's be no such thing as a
hand roll!

The torque to rotate the boat to upright does not come from the
paddle, if the roll is done correctly, ergo the aeration of the water
is inconsequential.

Well, I guess that is a question for hand rollers. Can you hand roll
as easily in aerated water as you can in a pool? I would doubt it.