HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:58:04 -0400, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.
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The most significant current factor affecting the US
economy/recovery right now in both business and in private spending
habits is the incredible, unfathomable amount of spending and debt
that this administration is willing to commit to. It's the same,
irresponible spending on credit philosophy that got us into the
situation we are in in the first place, except at a grand, federal
level and with inadequate income to pay the bills.

Our liberal social reformers can try to justify it all they want.
The fact is the country can simply not afford it. Rational and
economically thoughtful people understand this and are very concerned.

Business is the lifeblood of this country as we know it. Without
incentives for it to grow and prosper, the USA will choke to death
in social program debt.

Laws should be enforced to prevent scams and illegal business
activities, but the only way to return this country to prosperity is
to provide incentives for businesses to grow. Instead, and as
witnessed here by the comments of our liberal anti-corporation
friends, the "enlightened" philosophy and "in thing' now is to
crucify all business or corporate entities. It's like ****ing in
your own water supply.

Eisboch

I must have missed the part in which you explained why we should once
again "trust" business to do the "right thing" for working Americans
and their families. American businesses have sold us down the river by:

1. exporting jobs as quickly as possible

2. producing products that kill us or make us sick

3. running financial services companies in a manner that literally
bankrupted millions of families and made a retirement just about
impossible

4. cutting back on health care benefits for workers, and resisting
efforts to enable national health care plans

5. hiring "foreign" workers to come to this country legally and
displace higher-paid American workers

6. hiring as many "illegal" workers as possible so as to have an
easily exploitable workforce

7. fighting regulations that ensure American-made content

8. fighting anti-pollution laws

9. pushing for more and more development at the expense of the
environment

10.engaging in massive fraud whenever possible to screw the taxpayers

And so forth.

Yes, Richard, I know. There are businesses that are operated
properly...for their owners.

Sorry, I don't trust "business" to "do the right thing" for anyone
other than its immediate owners and top executive employees. I might
start believing again if corporate salaries were limited to, oh,
maybe 10 times the salary of the average non-executive worker at each
company.

Good list. Too bad politics blinds some people to reality.
Which makes you a commie to the other commies.
In a global economy the rules have changed, and the old rule of
"What's good for business is good for America" is defunct.
Here's something about capitalism from Wiki.
"The central axiom of capitalism is that the best allocation of
resources is achieved through consumers having free choice, and
producers responding accordingly to meet consumer demand."

Seems simple enough. And it worked well enough here before globalism
and debt and joblessness reared their heads. What isn't said there but
can be implied is that to be a consumer one
must have a stake in the game. Chips to play.
That normally mean a job. Then you're in the game.
Which gets into politics, which is local, whether in a city or a
country.
Politics establishes the rules of the game, and who can play.
Another issue not mentioned in that axiom is that in our political
system, another free choice is the vote.
The vote is more important than the economic system, and ultimately
determines the economic system, the rules, and who plays.
Commie China is capitalistic. No real vote.
In some countries considered "Socialist" citizens do have a vote.
Governmental systems are fairly complex without getting into the weeds
so I've kept it simple. But here's the bottom line.
America has voted in Barrack Obama, and a bunch of other Democrats.
The people have spoken.
If the people feel that's not in their best interests and it was a
mistake, they'll be gone soon enough. I can live with all that. No
problemo. God, I love this country.
Time for a beer.
You guys keep arguing.
Maybe I'll have some popcorn too.

--Vic


Some of the right-tards on the "over the top" websites are talking about
an armed revolution as the only way to put the conservatives back in the
driver's seat. I'd like nothing better than to see the righties take on
the feds. Hell, I'd borrow a uniform from the good humor man and join in
the fight against right-wing insurgents. I wonder what the bounty would be.

You would look dashing in a good humor man uniform.