Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Jun 23, 9:10 am, Gene wrote:
| On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:17:34 -0400, HK wrote:
| Tim wrote:
| On Jun 23, 1:53 am, jps wrote:
| On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:00:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
| On Jun 23, 12:13 am, jps wrote:
| On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:38:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
| On Jun 22, 6:23 pm, HK wrote:
| Tim wrote:
| On Jun 22, 6:06 pm, HK wrote:
| Tim wrote:
| On Jun 22, 6:02 pm, HK wrote:
| Tim wrote:
| On Jun 22, 8:56 am, HK wrote:
| wf3h wrote:
| On Jun 22, 6:20 am, Jim24242 wrote:
| That's good news for Harry Krause, isn't it. The fear and intimidation
| you suffer at the prospect of being asked to consider a moral, ethical,
| and religious life must have you shakin in your boots
| except, of course, the s. baptists have never come close to living a
| moral ethical and religious life. the church was founded as a
| proslavery church in 1845 and has opposed freedom for anyone ever
| since...in the name of god. it's also america's leading pro-
| creationism church
| IOW it's wrong about everything.
| An absolutely backwards "bunch" of religious zealots, doing "the devil's
| work" wherever it can. That floridajim believes they're moral and
| ethical says even more about him than it does about the white southern
| baptists.
| What about the Black Southern Baptists, Harry? There's lots of them.
| Different organization.
| nope.
| Yup.
| Nope.
| and what do you think is the objective of a Southern Baptist
| "Missionary" Hospital?
| Proselytizing.
| "Proselytizing.?"
| Surely you can do better than that, Harry.
| I'd say it never occurred to you that the Christian (Catholic and
| Protestant) Churches main mission is to do the will of Jesus.
| James 2:14 Dear brothers, what's the use of saying that you have
| faith and are Christians if you aren't proving it by helping others?
| Will that kind of faith save anyone?
| James 2:15 If you have a friend who is in need of food and
| clothing, and you say to him, "Well, good-bye and God bless you;
| stay warm and eat hearty," and then don't give him clothes or food,
| what good does that do?
| James 2:17 So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. You must
| also do good to prove that you have it. Faith that doesn't show itself
| by good works is no faith at all--it is dead and useless.
| James 2:20 Fool! When will you ever learn that "believing" is useless
| without doing what God wants you to? Faith that does not result in
| good deeds is not real faith.
| Just a few of the references Harry. But I don't expect you to believe
| any of it. It's not your nature.
| WTF do any of the above quotes have to do with missionary work or
| proselytizing on behalf of Christianity?
| It's an endeavor that seeks to enrich the organization more than
| spreading Jesus' teachings. You're supposed to live and be guided by
| his spirit, not try to sell his way.
| Anyone who has a beef with unions trying to enrich their organizations
| should have a major problem with missionaries.
| Bunch of whoey.
| My favorite is the missionaries who hunted aboriginals with the aim of
| converting them just before putting them to death in order to send
| them onto Jesus.
| ****ing insanity that continues today in a somewhat benign manner.
| Of course you would think so.
| I have good reason.
|
| More have died in the name of Jesus than any other "cause."
|
| Hmmm yeah. If that's what you wish to believe, then I suppose you
| need to stay locked in your house and not ever venture outside, and
| keep a 9mm close by. you never know when some christian will come
| knocking at your door.
|
| That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
| countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
| christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
| hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
| I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
| contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
| listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
| to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
| them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
| It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
| Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
| evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
| are *not* christians.
|
| To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
| beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains.
| Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
| "Assimilate...resistance is futile..."
|
| Well, screw that.
|
| I have a generous helping of these screwball relatives, too...
| including clergy. I, too, hear all of the stories about people of
| "other" religions finally seeing the light and coming over to "their"
| side (especially Catholics and Jews). (A messianic Jew?? WTF??)
|
| Southern Baptists believe that it is their duty to convert everybody
| to their way of thinking....it is stated in their writings. If you
| aren't a Southern Baptist, you are not, in their eyes, a "real"
| Christian and must be saved.
|
| As for Harry's ridiculous assertion concerning the number of folks
| killed by Christians..... here's a short list:
|
| "Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or
| participation of church authorities or were committed in the name of
| Christianity. (List incomplete)
|
| Ancient Pagans
|
| As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial
| edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian
| mob. Pagan priests were killed.
|
| Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
|
| Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea,
| the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the
| Heliopolis.
|
| Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis
| were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
|
| Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
|
| Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed,
| because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
| According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all
| Christian teachings..."
|
| In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
|
| In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on
| demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
|
| The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to
| pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a
| Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
| [DO19-25]
|
| Mission
|
| Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to
| convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
|
| Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church
| taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain
| 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
|
| 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by
| Knights of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]
|
| 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized"
| Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived
| without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their
| goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more
| successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir
| Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort
| soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off
| from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side
| of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate
| terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde
| fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
| Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99,
| 225]
|
| Crusades (1095-1291)
|
| First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
|
| Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96
| thousands. [WW23]
|
| 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands
| respectively. [WW25-27]
|
| Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles
| conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
|
| After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and
| 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed.
| [WW32-35]
| Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the
| enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their
| bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres.
| [EC60]
|
| Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the
| subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were
| eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
|
| Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish,
| Muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
| In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was
| such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of
| our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people
| marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of
| gratitude."
|
| The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look ...
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|I understand what you're saying Gene. But were these madmen truely
|Christian? I dare say not. they wore the name, but their actions
|proved differently.

From a Biblical standpoint.... they were clearly doing "their duty."
If you think that statement is even in the least sculpturally
incorrect, you *really* need to pull that Bible out and start reading
for content.

|
|"Southern Baptists believe that it is their duty to convert everybody
|to their way of thinking....it is stated in their writings. ..."
|
|Isn't that the rule with most (and I mean MOST--not all) religions?

I think it is true of the ones we should fear. The ones that demand
either conformity or to face a God imposed or sanctioned penalty.

Now, according to the courts, you can't even suggest that Christianity
is so much hokum, without being sued....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518864,00.html


Ahh...the ayatollahs are active.

Creationism = Cretinism