Death of a religious sect on the horizon?
On Jun 23, 3:46*pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:53:35 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Jun 23, 7:43 am, BAR wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.
To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains..
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."
Well, screw that.
harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law *who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course *they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.
If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?
Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.
Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations.
I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture.
"Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
*unsophisticated native populations."
Thats transparently obious. Harry.
" I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture."
Yeah, look at what they're culture has had to offer them.
They have the option of not receiving the free dental work or medical
care. Everything comes with strings attached. There is no free lunch.
They also have the option of taking advantage of the health care *with
no evangelicalism. no one forces anything on anyone.
You are a naive fellow if you think there isn't a debt incurred.
The great joe hill wrote a song about this:
* * *Long-haired preachers come out every night,
* * *Try to tell you what's wrong and what's right;
* * *But when asked how 'bout something to eat
* * *They will answer in voices so sweet
* * *You will eat, bye and bye,
* * *In that glorious land above the sky;
* * *Work and pray, live on hay,
* * *You'll get pie in the sky when you die
* * *And the Starvation Army they play,
* * *And they sing and they clap and they pray,
* * *Till they get all your coin on the drum,
* * *Then they tell you when you're on the bum
* * *Holy Rollers and Jumpers come out
* * *And they holler, they jump and they shout
* * *Give your money to Jesus, they say,
* * *He will cure all diseases today
* * *If you fight hard for children and wife-
* * *Try to get something good in this life-
* * *You're a sinner and bad man, they tell,
* * *When you die you will sure go to hell.
* * *Workingmen of all countries, unite
* * *Side by side we for freedom will fight
* * *When the world and its wealth we have gained
* * *To the grafters we'll sing this refrain
* * *You will eat, bye and bye,
* * *When you've learned how to cook and how to fry;
* * *Chop some wood, 'twill do you good
* * *Then you'll eat in the sweet bye and bye
The chorus is sung in a call and response pattern.
* * *You will eat [You will eat] bye and bye [bye and bye]
* * *In that glorious land above the sky [Way up high]
* * *Work and pray [Work and pray] live on hay [live on hay]
* * *You'll get pie in the sky when you die [That's a lie!]
Thus the final verse becomes
* * *You will eat [You will eat] bye and bye [bye and bye]
* * *When you've learned how to cook and how to fry [How to fry]
* * *Chop some wood [Chop some wood], 'twill do you good [do you good]
* * *Then you'll eat in the sweet bye and bye [That's no lie]
joe hill, for the culturally ignorant, was a labor organizer early in
the last century who was framed for murder by the bosses of the copper
mines where he was organizing workers. He was murdered by a state firing
squad.
OK, so ?
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