On May 16, 4:51*pm, jps wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2009 16:23:19 -0500, thunder
wrote:



On Sat, 16 May 2009 13:31:57 -0400, BAR wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2009 09:23:58 -0400, BAR wrote:

She seems to ignore the fact that a new president was going to be
elected with or without her involvement or position in Congress.
Bush's time was over. * *Both candidates .... Obama *and McCain
were and are on record has opposing torture.
That's a good point.
Its a very good point that is completely lost on the fourth estate.

Except think timeline, the briefing meeting was back in 2003. *Any work
to get Kerry elected failed, and, for the next 4 years, no one knew who
the 2008 candidates were going to be.

Except that Pelosi's comments today cannot be verified to have occurred
in 2003. Pelosi is trying to rewrite history but, she fails to
understand that the events she is attempting to rewrite never occurred..

Pelosi is now backtracking on her accusation that the CIA lied to her
and congress. I guess she didn't listen when she told her children that
honesty was the best policy. Or, she may not have told her children that
honesty was the best policy.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Pelosi's veracity. *She is a
politician, after all, but this particular point, about Obama and McCain
both being against torture, doesn't pin her in a lie. *

Pelosi is a lightweight, and now damaged, but I don't see this bringing
her down, way too much wiggle room in her statements. *There is also
danger for the Republicans trying to pin this on her. *There weren't only
Democrats at that briefing. *If Pelosi knew about torture, many in the
Republican leadership did also. *

Oh, no, no, no. *There were only D's in the room when they said "we're
doing this method of torture."

Don't you find it odd that no one else supposedly in those meetings
has said definitively that they announced they were using those
methods they were describing?

Was it a wink and a nod? *The way Pelosi explains it, they were
breifing them on what they thought were legal tactics, not confirming
their use.

the way that Pelosi explains it?

Er.... which way and which time?