On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:27:40 -0700, jps wrote:



"What's even more interesting is that some Democrats and liberal
commentators are begining to get a clue..."

Therein you have the difference. Those on the left are willing to
speak up. If this was coming from the right, the minions of right
leaning commentators would line up right behind the scumbag.

Not true. Only Republicans openly support torture.
That's not to say "conservative," which was traditionally "the right."
Republican and "conservative" don't go together any more.
Wall Street and the evangelicals have co-opted the party.
Most real conservatives fled the GOP and call themselves
"libertarians." Bob Barr is an example. Anti-torture.
That's a pretty good Dem strategy - GOP - The Pro-Torture Party.
What's left of the GOP is party hacks.
Same thing happened to the Dems.
They used to be the "party of Labor."
Since Clinton they are mostly Wall Street party hacks.
Pelosi, Daschle, et al, are no better than Bush/Cheney.
That's all loose, but tight enough.
Obama might be the first true-blue American to come on the
scene in a long time. Pro-American Worker, Anti-Gay Marriage.
Time will tell.
Somebody will ask that timeless question,
"Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?
The answer will say it all.
It's the economy, stupid.

--Vic