"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Mar 4, 2:06 pm, HK wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
You think government health care will help? Look North, we have
government
health care and people don't start real businesses here because of the
taxes, red tape and government interference. Then you get union issues
too.

Those darn union issues. Imagine the gall of workers wanting an agent to
represent them and negotiate for decent wages, hours, working conditions
and benefits. Everyone knows workers are there for the exploitation.

You missed the point, I am not advocating govt health care at all. I
am simply trying to make it possible for people with pre-existing
cond. to get private health care, the same private health care govt
employees use such as an HMO. By making these people temp govt
employees, pre-existing conditions are immediately covered by the
money paid in the grant just as is currently done.

Our experiences in Canada with this global health care is actually good in
many ways but for three very critical parts.

There is only one service proider and if you down't like them or they don't
cover it, tough-s--t.

Second issue is funding. Government holds it over the people like a hammer
justifing tax increases to the moon. When they get the extra $10,000 in
taxes, maybe $2000 goes to health care and $8000 to pork.

Third, Canadians going to the US have zero coverage, it only works in
Canada. Want to go to Hawaii, or Chicago, better get added coverage. In
fact, most Canadians get suplimental coverage at their own taxable expense
as government coverage is too weak and basic.

If the US did do it, fixing the above issues will go a long way in
preventing tax-slavery and servatude to the government. As that is what it
becomes. If you are taxed 50%, most will not have the finacial option of a
different provider.

For example, say everyone had a flat rate, no deduction health care surtax
of 7%. But got government health care. Next, the government could
misappropriate funds from it and say they want more taxes to cover it. The
cycle will eventually result in 50% or more of your income going to taxes.
Think I am joking? Check out tax rates of any country with global heath
care.

To prevent this, it needs to be deducted as a flat percentage, and the
percentage is set that 100% self funding, no borrowing, no skiming, no
misappropriations allowed. If consumption goes up, so must the rates, no
debt allowed and surpluses returned as lower rates. The funding rules need
to be clean and absolute, plus visible on your cheque. Totally separate
from government revenue and spending.

Then you need limited liability and lifetime limit rules, not everyone can
cost $2M in a lifetime, unless they paid in $2+M. So certain expensive
surgeries will never happen. If you need your 3rd operation at $250K you
may not qualify. Another item they do is rationing. Active tax paying
worker gets treaments in weeks, where as a retired person might have to wait
14 months. Yes, these rules will creap in as the government manages the
herd.

Don't be so quick to jump the government health care wagon, it isn't all
benefits without a price to fiscal liberty and in many cases, service
levels. You might be better off to sell out and move to south America where
services are cheap any pay for them yourself. For example, I can get a
crown cheaper in Costa Rica than I can here for my deductable.