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Way Back Jack wrote:

The shrewd ******* is hedging. If it fails, he can say that both
sides were for it. If it fails without support from the other side,
his side can kiss the 2010 and 2012 elections goodbye.

I predict another Dem sweep in 2010, as more and more middle class
people wake up and see the GOP for what it is, not what it says it is.
Stonewalling and whining about tax cuts is about all they're good for
right now, with a few exceptions: vulnerable Rethugs up for reelection
in 2010.

I do too. There's not enough time for a political recovery to benefit
the left-behinds in '10. They're still weeping en-masse over the ass of a
red-skirted MILF. I'm serious about that, the ****ers are all around here.
Repugs seriously lust for that crazy puppy-murdering bitch.

And that's not even the worst thing about her. Her religion scares
the **** out of me. Have you heard of Dominionism? (think Pat
Robertson, Falwell, Hagee, Focus on the Family, and the push toward
a Christian theocracy.) She's their perfect puppet.

Are you trying to master stating the obvious?

Tax cuts != stimulus spending. Yet that's all the Repubs can come up
with. The Bush tax cuts were an Epic Fail, and they keep banging that
same drum. And they are opposed to productive spending that will get the
biggest return in terms of change in one year real GDP.

Kali, you're talking about a group of idiots with thug politicians serving
cherries on their heads. Politicians, who're leading them around by the
nose.

They're told what to think and are force-fed canned rhetoric by Pinbaugh,
O'really, Inannity, Fuchannan, et:al. One will post a red- blooded
think-not criticism on anything "stim" (spending) TODAY, it is a mandate
to slap at anyone expressing insight or positivity.

Amen to that, brotha.

Compare these from Moody's Economy.com:

Lump sum tax rebate: 1.02 -(+) ^^^ Temp across the board tax cut:
1.03 -(+)^^^ Temp payroll tax holiday: 1.29 -(+) ^^^^

Perm/extend AMT patch: .48 - (-)
Bush tax cuts permanent: .29 - (-)
Cap gains/div tax permanent: .37 - (-) Perm cut corporate tax rate:
.30 -(-)

Extend unemployment benefits: 1.64 -(+) ^^^^^ Temp increase in food
stamps: 1.73 -(+) ^^^^^ General aid to state govt: 1.36 -(+)^^^^
Increased infrastructure spending: 1.59 -(+)^^^^^

Scored! Why don't wingnuts recognize human RESOURCES are compatible with
increasing an economy.

Yeah, people earning paychecks and spending money? Who knew?

(caveat on those multipliers, see the Business Week article on this,
it frames the debate in a very digestible way)

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...n2009/db200901
27_702149.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories

You've seen figures for job growth by-the-numbers
for the next decade(s) I trust?

Not yet, in my crash course in economics. Wish I'd studied it in
school, because it interests me now. Back then I likened an econ
course to watching paint dry.

But I did see a verrrry scary graph on Huffpo earlier today:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...chart-what-36-
mi_n_164828.html

Job losses in the three most recent recessions, compliments of Bush
Sr. and Dubya. We need some horizontal movement in that line that is
us now, or we're fux0red.

Get the money out to the people who will spend it now. Corporate tax
cuts? Epic Fail in terms of stimulus.

Problem is - even in the best of times, you can't turn a battleship full
about on a putting green. Productivity has supposedly climbed, if so,
that's a positive. And why are you chatting with a known libertine?

Ooooh libertine. I had no idea! Please continue.
--
Kali

“This is not a stimulus bill; it is a spending bill.”
-Sen. John McCain

“What do you think a stimulus is? Spending, that is the whole
point.” -Pres. Barack Obama