"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:00:04 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:09:13 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:35:29 -0800, Stephen Trapani
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The Christians? Well, maybe start a new sect?
The Christians have no monopoly on sects. The Shia and Sunnis are
both Muslims and kill each other over their differences about what
the Koran says. Moderate Muslims also live in free societies
without clashing with the laws like extremists do. I'm not sure
what you're not getting here.
True, but they are all Moslems when it comes time to dealing with
the
Infidel. The Shia and Sunnis are divided by who legally inherited
Muhammad's authority not by interpretations of the Koran. Cultural
differences also interact here as the main Sunni grouping is Saudi
Arabian while the Shias are stronger in the old Persian areas. Iraq
is, of course a mixture with the resulting havoc. and of course
there
are a number of sub groupings like Wahabis, et al. But he fact
remains
that they all believe the Book.
That's the beauty of it. Once they accept the principle that the
book contains some metaphor, it's all the true word of God, but you
can still make it say just about anything you want because God isn't
crystal clear about everything. It's mysterious, don't ya know.
*All* denominations do it.
Rather then my trying, in vain, to convince you that you don't have a
glimmer about what you are taking about I suggest that you catch a
flight to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Afghanistan,
Indonesia
or any of the other Moslem countries and discuss your proposed
changes
to the Koran with the indigenous peoples.

If you will publicize your departure date I will keep close watch on
the news media but my guess is that hardly a week will pass before a
fatwa is issued against you for insulting the faith and we can watch
you dodge the lads looking to gain credit with God by canceling your
ticket.
Don't stand on ceremony now, keep us advised of your travel plans.
Perhaps you to can be on television. Cheers,
Your contention, then, is that there is only one interpretation of the
Koran, every Muslim interprets it all the same. This is, of course,
utter nonsense and it appears to be you that needs to get out more.

Stephen
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Rather then argue about it, I suggest that you do a little research on
the subject. Read Wiki, although I admit that is a very basic source:

Islamic scholars believe that the Quran is miraculous by its very
nature in being a revealed text and that similar texts cannot be
written by human endeavor. Its miraculous nature is claimed to be
evidenced by its literary style, suggested similarities between
Quranic verses and scientific facts discovered much later, and various
prophecies. The Quran itself challenges those who deny its claimed
divine origin to produce a text like it. [Qur'an 17:88][Qur'an
2:23][Qur'an 10:38].[49][50][51] These claims originate directly from
Islamic belief in its revealed nature...

Or:
Muslims believe the Quran to be the book of divine guidance and
direction for mankind and consider the text in its original Arabic to
be the literal word of God, revealed to Muhammad through the angel
Gabriel over a period of twenty-three years and view the Quran as
God's final revelation to humanity.

Or:
Muslims maintain the present wording of the Qur'anic text corresponds
exactly to that revealed to Muhammad himself: as the words of God,
said to be delivered to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel. Muslims
consider the Qur'an to be a guide, a sign of the prophethood of
Muhammad and the truth of the religion. They argue it is not possible
for a human to produce a book like the Qur'an, as the Qur'an itself
maintains.

In short, Moslems believe that the Koran is the word of God and
unchangeable.

My experience, living in the largest Moslem country in the world for
some 20 years, indicates that you are totally wrong and my suggestion
still stands and appears to be perfectly reasonable. Rather then try to
convince a bunch of non-Moslems that you are right
it would seem that convincing a group of Moslems would be far a far
more convincing argument that you are correct.
I'm going to try one last time to explain to you what you are failing to
understand. Christians and Muslims *all* believe that their Book is
*all* the divine, perfect Word of God. But God speaks in riddles
sometimes, in metaphor other times, and crystal clear other times. There
are passages in each book that are widely contested among each religion.
This contention divides members of each religion into denominations,
factions, etc. If you think that your country contains Muslims that all
agree and don't separate themselves into different denominations based
upon their interpretation of their book then you need to open your eyes
and look around.

Stephen


Seems to me that you've described just about every religion on the face
of the Earth. The only group I can think of that seems to be monolithic
are atheists. If you don't believe in God, then there's no quibbling.


Bingo.

Here is a page describing roughly forty divisions among Islam. I'm sure
those divisions also have their divisions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisions_of_Islam

Stephen


I take it all back. I believe in God, but I'm an atheist.

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