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Really? How so? I'm not putting him a racial class, although I'd
suggest 3rd grade... again.

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Go look up Goyim in your dictionary.


Why? I never used that term. Go look up Hitler in your dictionary.

And, I suppose, you never hear that term from any Jews, right?\



Sure. So, what's your point? Because one person uses a term, all people
of that ethnic background are guilty? What about the Christian who uses
it of himself when around Jewish friends. Would he be a racist of his own
race? I think you're grasping at straws.


Is Larry so deluded that he thinks "goyim" is inherently racist? It means
"nations" (plural of "goy," which is nation in Hebrew) and is used many
times in the Bible to refer to Israel or Judah, or the "Nation of Jews."
It also means "nationals" or "citizens," and since Jews were denied
citizenship in almost every country until about 200 years ago, it came to
imply the local citizenry, or in general, non-Jews. There is no inherent
negative connotation in the Hebrew or Yiddish usage, it is essentially the
Yiddish word for "Gentile."

However, like any ethnic descriptor, it can be used in a negative way,
much like Whites using the term "Black," (or Blacks using White) can be
pejorative or neutral or positive, depending on the context. Admittedly,
in the US, the usage is often assumed to be somewhat negative because the
use of a Yiddish word in an English sentence has special emphasis.

I've almost never heard it used in a context that I considered overtly
racist, more often I heard it in the "us versus them" usage, such as "That
yacht club is for the Goyim." Given that the yacht club probably excluded
Jews (or did in the past) its hard to call that racist.

BTW, the word "Goy" is not commonly used in modern Hebrew in Israel; they
use different words to describe non-Jews and foreigners.


I have heard it used in a pejorative way, but come to think of it not as a
racist term. In any case, one person using it doesn't condemn a whole group
of the same ethnic background.

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