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Default M/V "Dignity" RAMMED by Israeli Navy gunboat.

Capt. JG wrote:
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I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys.
Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the
entire picture.



I agree... we're not looking at the entire picture. We need to be a
relatively unbiased broker if we want to help resolve the conflict. However,
your statement that all the people who immigrated to Israel with sponsored
by the wealthy is false. I know for a fact that's false, since I have some
very unwealthy friends who moved there on their own, struggled for years,
and finally became what we would call middle class. There are Palestinian
Israelis who own businesses and have money... not as many as there are
Jewish Israelis certainly.


There are many unbiased brokers but neither side will abide by their
decisions or even sit down with them. I can nominate Finland or Norway
as two good candidates for neutrality.

The problem is (I've spoken to many Israelis here) that the Jews believe
themselves to be a special case. They don't see any inconsistency
between demanding racial integration for the US or South Africa but
refusing it for Israel because it means 'national survival'. That is, in
time, the Arab would be more than 50% of the population and out vote the
Jew - which they welcome in South Africa but won't stand for at home.

Even before then, if the Arab could have members in the Knesset, the
Jews would have to deal them in for consideration in policy. Clearly the
Jews are utterly unwilling to do that - again national survival. If I
push it, then they throw the German Exterminations in my face which
tends to be a discussion stopper.

The Arab is probably as bad in he feels like his home was taken from him
by greedy Jews backed by the evil USA & UK. How accurate is that? I
can't say but the Arab says they are victims and the Jews say they are
the victimizer.

By this time both sides have outraged the other so often that either can
make a case for exterminating the other.