On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:09:57 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:17:37 -0800 (PST),

wrote:

There is no way in the world the American worker of present day works
harder than the guy in my dad's day. I have been victim to being told
to slow down by a union. In all fairness (which we won't expect from
the other side) I was also told to slow down while on piece work at
Standadyne, a non union shop...


Piece work is sort of a special deal. When I pushed pieces I was
aware that I was in my 20's and strong as a horse.
The guy on the next shift might be 50 and not so healthy or strong.
If I was being timed I had to go slower. Still worked hard, but
shortened my break times. Didn't want to screw up the older guys.
They did plenty of work.

--Vic


Many of us have never had the type of work experience where you had to be
conscious of how productive you are compared to your fellow worker. The
closest I ever came to that I guess is 9 years in the military, but
nobody pressured you to hold back in doing a good job, or even a better
job than others. The benefit of doing a good job was learning your job
code, advancing in rank and earning more money. Everyone had the same
opportunity. Some did, some didn't. In the military if someone was
noticed to be purposely holding back, he/she would be in a world of hurt.

In my civilian experiences of almost 30 years now, the companies I've
worked for were too small to have a cast of thousands all doing the same
kind of work. The motivation to do a good job was the fact that your
performance contributed to the overall efforts and if you slacked off, it
would be very noticeable. Often, I was the only one doing a particular
function, so screwing up, performing well or being lazy had an immediate
impact on the company and was usually noticed by the management.

So, you people with other experiences have to realize that the concept of
"backing off" in performance is totally foreign to some of us.

Eisboch


Doing a "good job," and doing a job quickly are not always compatible, as
I am sure you know. When I worked cleaning and rebuilding the innards of
boilers, I was told to work at a slow, careful pace to make sure I took
enough time to do the job properly. All of the guys I worked with, guys
with many years of experience, worked faster than I did, but they all
worked a different speeds. Slacking off was not a problem. Bad work that
caused the boilers to fail when they were tested was. Rushed work usually
resulted in bad work.


That's fine Harry, but it's not what this discussion was about.

Eisboch


Amen.

Except that Harry wants the thread to be about Harry.
--
John