On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:01:46 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

Gotta go to Madison, WI. Its a nice place in summer but winter, you
godda be kiddin. I always wanted to sail on those two lakes but I'll
take a rain check till summer. Finally found my old parka, gloves and
such. Has the water turned into that bizarro state called "ice" yet
there?

Not yet.