"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:51:05 -0500, "Eisboch"
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:40:09 -0500, tin cup wrote:

The average wage was around 58,000.00 a year.

That's misleading, benefits add at least another 20,000. That is
pretty good pay for unskiled labor, about 2 or 3 times what most
factory workers get.


I saw a news clip recently of a GM "worker" standing beside a console on
the assembly line, supervising a bunch of robotic arms assembling a car.
His
primary job was to hit the red "Emergency Off" button, if something went
screwy or was called to do so.

His "package" (including benefits) was in excess of $85k/year and upon
retirement could look forward to full, GM financed health coverage along
with his pension.

I don't deny anybody the right to hold a good job with decent pay and
benefits, but it really should be in concert with the person's initiative
to
prepare him/her self for that career. I am sorry, but standing around
watching an automated assembly line put cars together for that kind of pay
and benefits just doesn't do it for me, especially when I see others who
have worked hard to educate and qualify themselves for a trade making far
less.

Oh, please. "Educated geniuses" like Paulson of Goldman-Sachs, who
pulled down +50 million his last year as CEO there, and sold his stock
for $500 million to work for the guv, have managed to totally **** up
this country.
I just love it when auto workers are portrayed like you just did, and
the cars and trucks just get produced by magic.
While worthless ****s like those running this country, and who
supposedly "create" magic wealth but who actually create debt are
heros on the covers of news magazines.
I want to puke whenever I see that idiot Jack Welch.
Listening to anti-American morons like him is a primary reason this
country is going down the tubes.
Not that I disagree that Detroit management has screwed the pooch in
giving the UAW stuff like sub-pay. That's their problem, and I don't
care if they go bankrupt.
Simple inattention to the ledger book is the primary problem of most
businesses, and Detroit's sins are even more venal.
BTW, U.S. Toyota and Honda plants offer similar non-union wages, but
smarter management. And they have little legacy costs.
If Detroit goes bust, the Honda/Toyota workers will likely vote in the
UAW to represent them.
National health care will eliminate most of that legacy cost.
A big chunk of Toyota/Honda sales here are still being imported
from Japanese plants, where they don't suffer health care costs.
Don't know how much that figures in profitability, but the Japs also
engineer in more quality too.
Sorry to be disagreeable, but having spent years as both a production
worker and in an "educated" field making much more money but producing
nothing tangible, I have strong views of their relative values.
There's a reason this country is going downhill, and it sure as hell
isn't being caused by workers who actually produce goods.
Too many chiefs and not enough working Indians is the problem.
But that concept is too complex for the "educated" morons who
are "creating" all that magic money.
Well, here we are, and it's just going to get worse. Trust me.
We need Pat Buchanan running the show. He knows what's up.
If Obama is a real "free-trader globalist" we'll continue the decline.
Bottom line is you can't consume more than you produce.
The peasant Chinamen doing the work for us will own us if we continue
down this path.

--Vic

Disclaimer: My opinions are worth exactly what you paid for them.


Heh. In the future please don't be so hesitant and shy about expressing
your views.
We'll consider them, even though they are wrong. :-)

Eisboch