On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:15:20 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:


"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
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The gist of it is that FISA didn't and doesn't limit a President's
authority to act timely.
I haven't heard any compelling or authoritative argument that even
sitting President's are imune from oversight. It's a transparency thing
as well Ed.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't think it would be good
for the country, and I doubt if you could get a conviction. If I
understand you accurately, you think it would be good, and you're not as
concerned about getting a conviction as you are about having a trial.

I see it as divisive, at just the wrong time. And I don't think you'd be
able to avoid having it look like political retribution, to many US
citizens as well as to the rest of the world. The fine points are not
going to be nearly as visible as are the facts that it's a constitutional
argument and that we're willing to imprison those with whom we don't agree
about constitutional interpretations. It isn't as if they were simply
enriching themselves or arresting members of the opposition. If anything,
proposing it as "justice" will breed a lot of cynicism and resentment
within the US itself.

The Constitution has provided for these things while they're occurring, by
means of impeachment and trial. Congress had that opportunity but didn't
act upon it. Now it's done, and the political process will undo as much of
it as possible. To hold criminal trials after the fact is iffy.

War Crimes rarely come to light until after a regime has been removed from
power. Violation of the Geneva Convention, knowingly and with intent, is
a crime under both U.S. and International law.

Since Bush pardoned most of the players there is little option other than
trying them at the Hague, I'd much rather take care of our own problems
internally but this was Bush's choice.

Justice must be done.

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Regards, Curly
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Now it's time for War Crime Trials at the Hague for Bush/Cheney
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