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On Sep 17, 10:13*pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
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(Ray Fischer) wrote:
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so you enjoy having average health care for inflated prices?

I enjoy paying my own way.

Even if it costs you half again as much.

Sucker.

Just like when I buy a car. *I could purchase a hundai or a lexus. *Is
anyone driving anything other than a hundai a sucker?

You pay for a Lexus and get a Hyundai.

It's my money. Yet you insist that I buy us both hyundais.

Because of your greed and selfishness we all end up paying more.

Yeh, that whole, ummm, personal responsibility thingy really upsets
some folks.

If you're so in favor of "personal responsibility" then why don't you
insist on higher taxes?

Why don't you pay your taxes?

Such an intelligent response.

Squirrely doesn't or at least says he won't be paying any under Obama.

Gesundheit.

never heard of an HMO did you? they tell you what doctors you'll go
to, what treatment they'll pay for, etc.

I could have selected the HMO route and paid less. *Instead I selected
a Preferred Choice plan.

As opposed to paying your own way?

It is part of my compensation package.

Smirk.

Some people even get a company car...

COMPANY health care and COMPANY car.

*There will always be an
additional "co-pay" to keep malingerers from overtaxing the system.

Doesn't seem to work that way in other countries.

Yet they still come here for services they can't get there.

Yet Americans still go to other countries for services they can't get
here.

But you're a class bigot who hates poor people, aren't you?

Is that what I am?

Is that an admission?

As it stands now, I can change plans and I can change bosses.

And if you get sick or injured and can't work, you can't get any
plan, you can't get any job, and you and your family go broke.

Me? *I keep myself employed. *I make it a point to do so. *I consider
it my "responsibility" to provide for myself and my family.

And what happens if you CANNOT work? *What then?

Short term... sick leave, health insurance. Long term... workman's
compensation, medical retirement, medicare, savings.

A recent estimate put the lifetime cost of health care for seniors
at $300,000 above medicare. One major illness and you'll double that.
Workman's comp only applies to on-the-job injuries.

So should I have a catastrophic injury or health event, I'm covered.

No, you're not. *All the health plans limit payouts.

And health care where there are double the number of folks covered
won't be limited?

Health care isn't limited. Peyments by insurance companies is
limited.

The leading cause of personal bankruptcies is medical emergencies.

And making health care free to everyone who doesn't work is going to
make it better for me who is paying the bills? *How?

You are already paying for other people's health care. *The medical
industry raises prices in order to cover the expense of treating those
who cannot pay.

Then what's the problem?

The emergency care that people get when they're really sick is much
more expensive than the routine care they'd get if there was a
national health care.

Once again: *Health care in the US costs about 50% PER PERSON than it
costs in any other industrial nation. *Administrative overheads,
profits, and inefficiences drive up the cost of health care in the US.

If it's 50% of what other countries pay then we're getting a deal.

50% MORE than then next most expensive.

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Ray Fischer