Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:22:28 -0700, John R. Carroll wrote:

wrote:
On Sep 12, 5:14 pm, "Hawke" wrote:
CLINTON dropped the ball on this one.

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How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could have
gotten OBL a
number of times but didn't? Was it above his pay grade? (Good
thing OBL
didn't change his name to "Vince Foster")

Don't confuse Ms Carrol with the ugly truth.

Your "truth" is a lie told originally by NewsMax. Read the 9/11
Commission Report for the truth.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_...tatement_5.pdf
(bottom of page 3):

If you think that by informing our right wingers of the truth
about the subject it will have any effect on their beliefs you are
out of your mind. The point is those guys don't care about the
truth so informing them won't do any good. They believe what they
want to believe and even if you show them they are wrong they
still won't change their minds. That's just the way they are.

Hawke

The truth of your free health care is that I get to pay for mine
and I get to pay for yours.

A study coming out Tuesday from scholars at Columbia, Harvard,
Purdue and Michigan projects that 20 million Americans who have
employment-based health insurance would lose it under the McCain
plan.

There is nothing secret about Senator McCain's far-reaching
proposals, but they haven't gotten much attention because the
chatter in this campaign has mostly been about nonsense - lipstick,
celebrities and "Drill, baby, drill!"

For starters, the McCain health plan would treat employer-paid health
benefits as income that employees would have to pay taxes on.

"It means your employer is going to have to make an estimate on how
much the employer is paying for health insurance on your behalf, and
you are going to have to pay taxes on that money," said Sherry
Glied, an economist who chairs the Department of Health Policy and
Management at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health.

Ms. Glied is one of the four scholars who have just completed an
independent joint study of the plan. Their findings are being
published on the Web site of the policy journal, Health Affairs.


http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2008/0...ice-the-price/

According to the study: "The McCain plan will force millions of
Americans into the weakest segment of the private insurance system -
the nongroup market - where cost-sharing is high, covered services
are limited and people will lose access to benefits they have now."

The net effect of the plan, the study said, "almost certainly will
be to increase family costs for medical care."

Under the McCain plan (now the McCain-Palin plan) employees who
continue to receive employer-paid health benefits would look at
their pay stubs each week or each month and find that additional
money had been withheld to cover the taxes on the value of their
benefits.

Lets not get sidetracked into the health insurance debate for it
masks the underlying problem. The fundamental problem is that our
health care system has been hijacked by corporate powers making
healthcare too expensive.

Health care insurance is just another facade by those who have
plundered our economy. Have you tried to get a doctors appointment
without insurance?

Sure.
My doctors all love me.
I pay them with $100's up to $5K and beyond that write checks.
My prosthodontist lowered a quote from $25K all the way down to thirteen
thousand.
The entire treatment was done over an eighteen month period and I baid
inadvance and with cash.

I'll bet I could get a house call as a courtesy if I wanted.

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John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com