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Eisboch

"hk" wrote in message
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On Aug 22, 2:11 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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At the expence of the rest who really can't participate in those
threads without having to go on the defensive and correct the twisted
bull****... For someone here to suggest "all you have to do is be nice
to harry" is either niave or malicious. Simply having an opposing
opinion than wafa means you get attacked, especially if you prove his
points to be lies, out of context, or just plain made up.. There are a
very few here who can participate in any of those conversations, so
little but one side and the other sides' lies get put up for
consideration.. not much of a debate But if you are debating with
only harry, at least you can pat yourself on the back for pobably
being right...

Yes, this is a direct knock at Dick and my friend Tom... I won't hide
that here, it would be useless. Hey, if Tom, Dick, and Harry (I
have been waiting for the chance...) can have disagreements, hopefully
Tom and Dick will appreciante my point of view here... Or at least
appreciate that I am being honest and don't kiss anyones......
later, time to go to work...

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You've made your point. Now, let me make one.

Newsgroups always been a place of debate, a forum to express opposing
viewpoints and for spirited conversation, within a general category of
common interest. It dates back to the very early days of Usenet and, in
fact, predates it. Anyone who thinks rec.boats should *only* be about
boats
is woefully unaware of the background of unmoderated newsgroups.

But, discussion and debate can be done in a civil manner without
resorting
to name calling and vulgarity. That is nothing but childishness.

Believe me, I am not in the habit of kissing anyone's ass, nor do I
expect
anyone to kiss mine. However, I can engage is a lively debate without
having to resort to personal name calling. .... most of the time .. I
admit, there is at least one person who posts here that I find so
personally
disagreeable that I find it very difficult to stick to my own rules.
:-)

I debate with Harry for three reasons. One. Although I disagree with
him
regularly, he does make compelling points once in a while that cause me
to
think. That never hurt anyone. Two. I am well aware of your (and
several other people's) objections to me "engaging" with Harry. I do so
however to demonstrate that halfway civil conversation may be had, even
if
the parties are in total disagreement. Three. I've had newsgroup
discussions and debates with Harry for about 13 years now. Eventually,
I
want to succeed in my goal of converting him into a Republican.

If you notice, I also converse with you, and other members that often
resort
to name calling and frustrated vulgarity.
If you also notice, I don't return the same.

So, bottom line is, I am sorry you and others can't have civil
discussion
with those you can't agree with. To me it sounds like the little kid
who,
when he can't compete, takes his ball and goes home. There are several
people who participate in this newsgroup who share different viewpoints,
but
can express them thoughtfully without personally attacking each other.

If everyone made an honest effort to drop the personal insults,
conversation
could be had by all. The problem and question is, who is big enough to
make the first effort?

Eisboch

Well said.. I have one last question for you. Do you, or do you not
believe there are several here who reguardless of the manner presented
could never have a civil conversation with Harry without being
insulted, taken out of text, or just plain misrepresented? If your
answer is "no" then I suggest you note the thread about the wooden
boats. I tried to participate without any insults or misrepsentations,
and was quickly attacked, my boats, my skills, my knowledge, my
personal hygene even...:0

Stop whining. You're simply getting back from me what you toss in my
direction. You reap what you sow.

Ergo, the problem. But nobody remembers who was first. Why don't you both
call a truce and start over.
At least we could keep score.

Eisboch