On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:47:49 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall,
Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:49:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 12:17 pm, wrote:
I am naive I guess, but I am always amazed how folks I would usually
consider friends would play with folks who have been so cruel to me
and others. One thing about the three generations who I am raising
here is we are loyal to the bone. Family and friends first, for better
or worse, right or wrong, no compromises. And we demand the same from
all we deal with...
Couldn't have said it better myself. It must be a shame to have to
live like Harry and make up lies about your family.
My family members are stand up sort of people, and they wouldn't let
me get away with acting like Harry without saying something in a
heartbeat, as well they should

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Not picking sides here. But I have a question for anyone and everyone:

Who hurled the first insult?

Betcha nobody can remember for sure. It's a stupid game of tit-for-tat.

Eisboch


Harry. After a political disagreement.

You have a penchant for discussing politics, etc., with Harry. That is, in
effect, taking sides.

You're free to do so, of course, but you are 'taking sides' IMO. Granted,
you haven't stooped to his level of name-calling, but by your continued
discourse with him you're providing him a lot of encouragement.

But, that's your choice.


I have to disagree. Eisboch has never encouraged Harry's manic
narcissistic behavior. He has on occasion told Harry he thought Harry's
behavior was counterproductive to having a good boating group, but
whatever Eisboch does it will not change Harry's behavior. There have
been 100's of people who have chastised Harry, he just doesn't care. He
holds SWF and Eisboch as his "righteous rightees" because he is
desperate for a friend, but what they do will NEVER impact Harry. When
Chuck told Harry what he really thought of him, it did not change
Harry's behavior at all. All it did was give Harry one more person to
insult.

If you really want to know what would change Harry's behavior is if all
of us ignored him. Will that ever happen? I doubt it. Harry is too
easy of a target. Someone who is so insecure that he spends all of his
time making up a fictitious life, and then getting his panties in a wad
when he forgets all of his stories. As someone who has enjoyed this
verbal joust with Harry, I have enjoy the game, but if I left, and I
have off and on many times, Harry would not change at all. What you see
is what you get. A very insecure old man.

Then we disagree.

I believe Eisboch's continued discourse with Harry provides Harry a
participant who is ambiguous about Harry's behavior. You are correct that
Harry considers Eisboch the 'top of the heap', probably because of his
wealth. Discourse with Eisboch therefore shows Harry in the 'best' of
lights, and provides reinforcement for his other behavior.

That's not to say Eisboch is wrong or a bad guy for what he's doing. Hell,
if he gets a lot of enjoyment in his discussions with Harry, then he should
go for it!