Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Jeff wants to add "overtaking" to the classes of vessels in the pecking
order mnemonic.


Your silly arguments only serve to show how little you actually
understand the rules.

One reason why this is just plain ignorant I have plainly stated elsewhere.
Adding an ACTION of a vessel to a list of CLASSES of vessels is to
*******ize the list. If you add "overtaking" then why not add "meeting" or
"crossing?"

Why not indeed? Of course, the overtaking rule applies in almost all
such meetings between various boats. The crossing rule only applies
between power boats, so its hard to fit it to the general rules. And
head on meeting doesn't even have a stand on/give way relationship. No
where is it written that this mnemonic must correspond to "classes" as
you define them. If its useful for remembering rules, thats enough.
Since you don't have a boat, you have no need of remembering the rules.



The second reason why adding "overtaking" to the list of classes of vessels
is just plain ignorant is because it is just plain wrong. It is wrong by
virtue of the FACT that there is at least one situation where the overtaking
vessel is the STAND ON vessel.

Even if there were an exception, what difference would that make? If it
an "overtaking situation" the rule applies, otherwise it doesn't.
Actually, the Overtaking Rule is one that is the clearest. Although
there are some scenarios where its a challenge to determine if it
applies, in its basic form it doesn't matter what manner of vessel is
involved.


Vessel A is tied to a pier with a vessel tied fore and aft of it. The
current is running strongly from the stern of vessel A. So vessel A decides
to back out of its berth because in doing so the stern of the vessel will
pull away from the pier and the bow of the vessel will follow and will not
strike the vessel berthed forward of it. The helmsman blows the horn using
one prolonged blast indicating he is exiting his berth and then three short
blasts of the horn to indicate operating in astern propulsion.

Vessel B is proceeding parallel to the dock and with the current - in other
words coming up from Vessel A's stern. Vessel B is overtaking Vessel A but

In open water, a boat making sternway effectively has it bow and stern
reversed. However, in this situation the "Special Circumstances" rule
(Rule 2) would apply.

Vessel B is the stand on vessel because a vessel exiting a pier or berth is
the burdened vessel.

Oh really?? Please show us that rule! Why would a vessel leaving a
slip have a special signal if its always the Give Way vessel?

Actually this is a area where the courts have given more guidance than
the ColRegs do. The vessel leaving the slip must not impede vessels in
the channel; vessels in the channel must use moderate speed and be
prepared for vessel leaving.

I hope this helps.

It certainly helps to show your ignorance of the rules!