... The molds
are owned by Tartan or Ericson.

Well, make up your mind.
I think you're confused, Ericson built Olsons for a while.


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Not confused at all.

You just don't think you're confused.

........ With companies going in and out of business and
reforming as they do, it's not clear exactly which entity owns them at
the present.

See, you really are confused.

... They are not owned by Soverel Marine, which has been out
of business since 1988.

Sure, but the company which bought Soverel Marine didn't disintegrate
the buildings & property, did they? Just a change of corporate
ownership, with the boats actually being built in the same facility
with largely the same workmen (and AFAIK under Mark Soverel's
supervision, at least for the first few iterations).

Happens all the time, in boat building & other businesses.






The boats were built differently, Doug, and the weight differences are
rather substantial.

Isn't that what I said?

Not really


That's funny, I could have sworn I said that weight variations of 20%
weren't really unusual in production keelboats.

Of course, a variation from 5200# to 6800# is a bit more than that,
but if they started throwing in plywood, it could explain a lot.
Especially once it soaks up some water.

Actually I didn't mention (and you apparently don't know) one of the
engineering benefits of plywood, it is relatively soft-failure
material. In other words, it shows obvious warning signs of impending
failure, and breaks a little at a time.



Those were the boats built by Soverel, Doug. Under the supervision of
Mark Soverel. LOL


If they pay him to put in plywood, he puts in plywood.


Mark Soverel designed it as a one design boat, Doug. Talk about
confused!


And that makes it a one-design?
Example- Olin Stephens did NOT design the Lightning as a "one-design,"
he designed as a club racer-daysailer. That it was hugely successful
as a one-design is partly due to it's superiority over anything else
in it's size/price range at that time, and partly due to successful
promotion by the class officers.

In other words, a designer & builder can call a boat "one-design" all
they want to, but unless the class catches on and there is one-design
racing, that doesn't matter.

If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, swims like a duck, and
quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. If you and Mark Soverel call it
a duck and it neither waddles nor swims nor quacks, what is it?

Especially if the weight variation is *that* much. When
was the last Soverel 33 Nationals and how many boats attended?

What does that have to do with anything?


The difference between a one-design class and a duck.


I've sailed 3 or 4 different Soverel 33s and couple of their other
models... the Soverel Senior 37 ketch is a great boat.


The 37 is hardly the same boat as the 33 under discussion. Ford made
refrigerators, as well as cars, trucks and tractors. So?


Ford also owns a lot of other car companies. Is an Opel a Ford just
because of the change in corporate ownership?


I almost
bought a Sov33 year before last...

Almost? I guess it must have seemed deficient in some way. Condition
problems? Couldn't really have been price if you "almost" bought it.
What was wrong with it?


Too much work to get it here, and I really wanted a boat that can be
trailer launched. Other than that, nothing much was wrong with it
other than tired running rigging.


.... OTOH two of the guys I sailed with have rebuilt their boat
themselves and know quite a lot about it, and have done very well with
them. There's one that has been extensively rebuilt & rerigged that
races here.


Yes, I have no doubt that any of them still sailing have had a lot of
work done on them. Sure all boats need maintenance, but "extensive
rebuilt and re-rigged"?

That particular boat is owned by a sailmaker who is an dedicated
tinkerer.

I don't happen to like a boat that needs rebonding & retabbing every
few years, however boats like Pacific Seacraft Danas, even the mighty
Westsail 32, have popped their tabbing loose and you don't seem to be
claiming they are "flimsy."

IOW you don't know WTF you're talking about, just being insulting.

Again.

Are you *sure* you're not related to Bobsprit?

DSK