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John H.[_3_]

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:59:20 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:48:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:37:40 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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D.Duck wrote:
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The high:

Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and
whose
Last Supper (1495-98) and Mona Lisa (1503-06) are widely
influential
paintings. Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's
franchise
in Des Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started the
McDonald's Corporation.

:)

I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood home.

If McDonald's was unionized Harry would be gushing about it.

Can you imagine the increased apathy of the workers at McDonald's
if
it
was unionized?

Maybe as bad as a bunch of pseudo marines?

I find your comments about BAR's service to our Country with the USMC
offensive Don and ask that you drop it.

I find his comments about hard working union members offensive. Ask
him
to
'drop it' and I'll consider same.

There are those? More than a minority?

You would not be retired with a pension if it wasn't for unions,
dumbass.

I would not? I actually get 2 small pensions from companies I worked for.
Both non union. Only union I belonged to was the CWA when I worked for
Western Electric when I got out of high school. A most incompetent union.
Go on strike for a couple of months for a 10 cent raise, almost the same
amount the company was willing to give at first. I worked for mostly
companies that had 401K programs and I also invested well. My Altria
holdings pay me a couple times my pensions by itself.

You really are thick. As I said, you would not have those benefits if
it was not for unions. That's where all of those practices came from.
Non-union people have gained an enormous amount of benefits on the
backs of union workers. As I said earlier, all those years when your
job was based on a 40 hour 5 day work week with weekends off,
holidays, ppresonal days, and vacations, was a gift to you from from
the unions. So was any overtime and sick pay you ever received. There
is a lot more.

The overtime was by government fiat.

You STILL don't get it. Virtually all labor laws that benefit workers
were the direct result of unions. The government never thought of time
and a half for overtime on it's own. They saw it as something that
union workers had fought for and won. They thought all workers (even
the helpless non-union ones) should have the same overtime pay as the
union workers.

Salty, I don't think anyone has denied that the unions have served a
purpose. The point had to do with unions today. At least two unions with
which I'm very familiar, the NEA and the AFGE, leave a very bad taste in my
mouth.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)