John,

I don't think anyone who offers a reasonable response to a post should
get any **** here. I have been here for the best part of a decade and I
see a bad pattern developing. We are starting to except bad behavior as
the norm and are even starting it ourselves. I have no problem with the
business people here. The problem is civility not commercialism. If you
want to see where it will lead go look at rec.boats or alt.sailing.asa.
What a pitty to loose this forum to that.

Ron

Still in my Lazyboy. Real men use Webtv, no killfile.