JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:03:49 -0500, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:05:30 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


Any reasonable person can understand the unfortunate requirement
for abortion in the case of rape or health issues. It's the
irresponsible aborting of life for "convenience" that is
bothersome.

Some anti-abortionists are against it even in the case of rape.
And I can see that. Innocent life is innocent life.
Personally, I find it abhorrent, and can frankly say I don't know
anyone who has admitted to it.
As a social issue, the thrust should be in preventing unwanted
pregnancies.
But I would never presume to tell anyone not to have an abortion
unless I was willing to support the child myself.
I would work in that direction for my family, but I sure as hell
won't
for a stranger, unless I'm taxed for the new "Unwanted Baby
Entitlement Program" Then I'll pitch in with the rest of society.
There's a twist here on Groucho's "I wouldn't belong to any club
that
would have me as a member," but it hurts to go there.

--Vic
If it were men who got pregnant, "abortion" would not be an issue. It
would be "abortion on demand," anytime, anyplace.
Probably something to that. I'm just glad I've never had to make such
a decision. A few years ago my wife collapsed at work with a
spontaneous abortion, losing a tremendous amount of blood.
We didn't know she was pregnant - about 6 weeks.
Rhythm method sucks.
The sonogram at the hospital showed a barely recognizable fetus with a
still beating heart. The baby died within ten minutes. I felt worse
than she did. She was 42 years old. She's told me flat out she would
have an abortion, but I know I would try to convince her otherwise.
The simple solution for us is better birth control.

--Vic
For thinking adults, abortion is not an easy decision.

There is so much hypocrisy surrounding beliefs about human sexuality
and reproduction that I look askance at anyone who wants to make
abortion illegal. Many of the same people who are vehemently
anti-abortion are also against teaching proper birth control methods to
pre-teens and teens, and against making condoms and other devices
easily available to anyone who wants them. My favorites are the ones
who preach "abstinence." Bill Maher had a wonderful "bit" about the
actual impact of such preaching on young women...

Abstinence guarantees no unwanted pregnancies.
Abstinence guarantees no sexually transmitted diseases.
Abstinence guarantees no abortions performed on pre-teens and teens and
the resulting emotional issues that stay with the woman for the rest of
her life.

True, but teaching abstinence has been shown to NOT work well at all.

I assume you're capable of seeing the difference between abstinence, and
teaching abstinence.
Learning to control ones physical urges is the the hard part, not the
teaching of abstinence.


Good. I just wanted to make sure you weren't about to suggest that teaching
other contraceptive methods in schools was the same as encouraging kids to
have sex, and that only abstinence should be taught.



Back up there buddy, I don't condone the schools teaching my child how
to use a condom or take the pill. That is my responsibility not the
schools. And, the schools shouldn't be teaching abstinence because they
shouldn't be teaching my kids the birds and the bees either.

My children have been taught about the birds and the bees and
contraceptive methods her at home with all of the additional information
about how succumbing to your base desires at such an early age can
really screw up your life. I have a daughter who wants to go to Harvard
and Oxford and she may just do that but, it would be a hell of lot
harder if she was the mother of a baby or toddler at the time.