On Feb 10, 5:01*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Bob" wrote

ANd how did an "experinced" operator get in such a fix. That just
doesnt all happen at once. Its a cascade of comedy.

As a boat designer who did some surveying a long time ago, let me look over
your boat and I'll probably be able to point out a lot of ways an
experienced operator could get in such a fix.

Agreed.... I would sincerly accept your look see. but Im the kind of
guy who knows there are many others around with vast ammonts of
experience and knowledge than myself. My moto: Seek Information From
All sources. Even the arrogant asses have somehing to offer, if noting
more than what NOT to do.

Sometimes things do happen all
at once. *


I have to disagree there. I just finished a refreshing Fri/Sat get
together with 27 comand level fire fighters in Oregon. They had a lot
to say about prevention and employee training.

Having spent quite a bit of time on marine accident analysis
(Member: Marine Forensics Panel, SNAME) and had, as a pilot,

Cool..... I soloed a little C150 on my 16 birthday. After about 100
hours I geave it up. Just not much fun.


pored over many
aviation accident reports to help avoid staring in my own, I can say that
most accidents are the result of a chain of circumstances and more than one
thing going wrong at the same time. *


Yes ! Eureka ! !! ! Exactly, a "chain of events" or the analogy I
like to use is the planents are begining to align.

NO one thing jsut happens and sinks a boat. But ultmatly its the
OPERATORS who **** up. Who alowed thoes event to continue chaining
untill it all went to ****.


The odds are on your side, accidents
waiting to happen go for years and thousands of miles before reality catches
up with them.

We are on the same page and in complete agreement again. Ever hear
that joke about the guy in the flood straneded on the roof of his
flooded home. helpless trying to not fall into the raging waters
below? He prayed to god to save him. a skiff with two people go by and
ofer help but the man declines cause he knows god will save him
besides the skiff was over loaded and he did not want to be a burden.
Later a log passes, still he prays, the water sweeps the house off the
foundation and he dies. He see god and say why did yo not save me i am
a good christin and was praying for help. God say hell, is sent you a
skiff and a log why didnt you use them?


*It's all a matter of odds and statistics. *


Well yes, but if you have a revolver to your head with only one in the
chamber there is a 1:6 probability of blowing your head off. Any
prudent person woould not put the gun to their head...... SO WHY PLAY
THE GAME!
That is, for god sake man............ if your in a hole STOP DIGGING!

Every once in a
while, a Red Cloud happens but it isn't common.

Sadly, But rather predictable. The operators posts are rather
revealing. Why do certain age and gender pay more for auto insurance.
Why do people who drive in certain regions of the US have to pay more,
why are some people destined to **** up? OPERATOR ERROR. be honest
roger, are there some people you would fly with or just loan you boat
to them for a month cruise in Newfoundland???? Of course there are.



None of this is to say my boat is perfect. *I could list dozens of things
wrong with her but I'm constantly upgrading and balance her current
condition with my ambitions.

Mine included.


Smugness and "I't can't happen to me." is the primary enemy

Agreed and I wold also add just simple ignorance of what it takes to
operate safetly given local conditions. I just loved lydia's quote on
her blog describing how the sweating pig found it way on the reef, " I
was below and som how the boat went off course...." well duh bitch:
boats will drive themselves........ right onto the rocks.

and I'll have to
confess that I can smell a little bit of that around here right now.

Roger, was that a vailed criticisim direct at me??????
How out of character!
Thats okay let the **** fly I'll still read your posts. I value your
opinions and observations. The fuel system has been ver interesting.
But i have to agree with one post. WAy too comlicated for such a small
boat. KISS. Have you noticed that enven technical design is nothng
more than a philosophy..... a way of viewing the world....?

My take: 15 gal gravity feed day tank with its own in line fileter. 75
gal belly tank with its own pump inline filter. bely tank has
pollishing system. much fewer valves connections. Lose day tank
system for any reason ....one valve change and go to 75 gal tank. Just
like your Fuel Selector Valve in your plane. KISS

Bob


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Roger Long