"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:07:15 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
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On Feb 10, 9:15?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:06:06 -0800, Chuck Gould wrote:

Compare the average level of educational achievement on, say, the
left
coast with the average education in customarily red states like
Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri. Then reevaluate. Thanks.

It's worse than that:

http://www.thebluestate.com/2005/10/...06_smarte.html

Note, the 21 states that spend the least on education, are all red.

I always get a kick out of the rationalization that education (or money
spent on it) ?automatically implies"smartness" in people.
There's a lot of stupid people with years of advanced degrees, just as
there
are many "smart" people with limited education.

Eisboch

I agree with you entirely.

The basis for even considering education in the discussion was a claim
that D's oppose "No Child Left Behind", and thaty they do so because
if the amount of education were increased across the country the
number of people supporting the D's would decrease.

Talk to middle and high school teachers about NCLB and see what they
say about the system.

It's a total disaster. And in states that require mainstreaming of
those children who are developmentally, physically, mentally or
emotionally "challenged", it's almost impossible to achieve the
standards required by NCLB.

So what's the solution? In MA and CT, it's teach the mastery test.
Simple as that.

There is a huge hole in this article as well.

Look at the states that spend the least (in order): Utah, Arizona,
Arkansas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Tennessee, Idaho, North Carolina,
Alabama -- and I still have not reached a blue state yet. I'll keep
going: North Dakota, Florida, Nevada, Texas, New Mexico, Missouri,
Iowa, Louisiana, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Kentucky, and then
finally California. The 21 states that spend the least amount on
education dollars per student are all red.

Let's take this state-by-state - these "red" states using state
legislatures as our guide.

Utah -Gov/R - Senate/R - House/R - red
Arizona - Gov/D - Senate/R - House/R - red
Arkansas - Gov/D - Senate/D - House/D - blue
Oklahoma - Gov/D - Senate/D - House/R - blue
Mississippi - Gov/R - Senate/D - House/D - blue
Tennessee - Gov/D - Senate/R - House/D - blue
Idaho - Gov/R - Senate/R - House/R - red
North Carolina - Gov/D - Senate/D - House/D - blue
Alabama - Gov/R - Senate/D - House/D - blue
North Dakota - Gov/R - Senate/R - House/R - red
Florida - Gov/R - Senate/R - House/R - red
Nevada - Gov/R - Senate/R - House/D - red
Texas - Gov/R - Senate/R - House/R - red
New Mexico - Gov/D - Senate/D - House/D - blue
Missouri - Gov/R - Senate/R - House/R - red
Iowa - Gov/D - Senate/D - House/D - blue
Louisiana - Gov/R - Senate/D - House/D - blue
Kansas - Gov/D - Senate/R - House/R - red
Nebraska - Gov/R - Unicameral Legislature/R - red
South Dakota - Gov/R - Senate/R - House/R - red
Kentucky - Gov/D - Senate/R - House/D - blue
California - Gov/R - Senate/D - House/D - blue

11 state governments are predominately Republican, 10 are
predominately Democratic.

Move on to Federal level.

Utah -Senate/R - House/R - red
Arizona - Senate/R - House/split - red
Arkansas - Senate/D - House/D - blue
Oklahoma - Senate/R - House/R - red
Mississippi - Senate/R - House/split - red
Tennessee - Senate/R - House/D - push
Idaho - Senate/R - House/R - red
North Carolina - Senate/R - House/D - push
Alabama - Senate/R - House/R - red
North Dakota - Senate/D - House/D - blue
Florida - Senate/Split - House/R - red
Nevada - Senate/Split - House/R - red
Texas - Senate/R - House/R - red
New Mexico - Senate/Split - House/R - red
Missouri - Senate/Split - House/R - red
Iowa - Senate/Split - House/D - blue
Louisiana - Senate/Split - House/R - red
Kansas - Senate/R - House/Split - red
Nebraska - Senate/Split - House/R - red
South Dakota - Senate/Split - House/D - blue
Kentucky - Senate/R - House/Split - red
California - Senate/D - House/D - blue

15 states with predominately Republican Senate/House combinations, 4
states with predominately Democratic combinations and two push.

So, any way you want to look at it, all of these states can't be
called "red" in any sense of the word. It's a very distorted view
presented for a particular purpose.

And how he could possibly call California "red" is completely beyond
me.

Easy. Communist.